Can you give us some guidelines of what to discuss if we cannot complain about the managers and high priced players?
Hate to see you so upset.
Blue Jays: 2016 Edition
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Hate to see you so upset.
Didnt see where I said I was upset. Oh well, guess you read between the lines LOL
Perhaps if you would complain about the real problems. The shots like "Tulo=Rally kiiller" are not productive they are just stupid statements. I enjoy a dscussion but complaining isn't a discussion. Calling Aaron Loup names isn't a discussion, unless you're in grade 2. It's ok to say you don't like Gibby or you think he should do things differently, but that's different than calling him an idiot or disliking him. Because he doesn't do his job the way you like doesn't make him a jerk, and I'm confident he's doing the job the best way he knows. That's all anyone can do.
An example of constructive feedback re:Tulo (as compared to the previous example cited a few lines above) is Ultistar's information a few posts back about his OPS home and away. Good concise statement and Tulo isn't berated for being what he is. There's some good feedback on this board and there are a lot of "fans" who aren't baseball people, who aren't interested in baseball as much as they are interested in the Blue Jays. I'm a baseball fan-I want the Jays to win, but I enjoy the other teams and the other teams' players. Actions should be judged by what is done, not who does it. That's just my opinion. I'm happy to not participate if that is preferred (or if I find myself getting upset LOL).
I agree with many points, especially the Willner thing. It's true that Tulo has not performed at previous levels with the Jays yet, and he may not, but I kind of recall some huge issues last week (ask Aaron Sanchez) where the players you mentioned were absolutely brutal in RBI opportunities. In his first game off the DL the guy strikes out with bases loaded and someone is on his case. He actually performed quite well yesterday on his second day back. That doesn't make him a hero, just as the previous day shouldn't make him a goat. I have no problem with being harsh, but the people who take baseball personally are somewhat delusional. Me calling something crap isn't angry, it's calling crap crap. It's the ones who resort to name calling that I think are angry. If Gibby needs to be fired, fine, that doesn't make me hate him. Aaron Loup may not be good enough to pitch in the big leagues, but he goes out and gives as much effort as Marco Estrada does. I have never been angry about a game that a bunch of other guys are playing. It's fine to want the Jays to do well, but if you can't respect the game and the players, there's a problem. Support your team by being classy, not by acting like you're in grade school. Even the most vicious soccer hooligans want their team to do well also, but that doesn't make it OK.
Thanks. I agree.
There are only 2 teams who I wind up throwing the remote control at the TV for, one is the Jays when they dont play well, and the other is the Dutch national team when they inevitably choke again.
So as you can see, quite a few remotes have been thrown at my TV last 20 years :biggrin1:
Not sure if I am always positive but I am always hopeful and that is because I am first and foremost a fan and I am gonna root for my team, from prez (Shapeero?, not so much) on down to bat boy. I most definitely am not a GM or a manager. Even if those guys make bad moves they are making those moves with a helluva lot more info at their disposal than I, or any others on here, could hope to have.
That's what irks me. It's OK to vent and/or have an opinion, but don't pretend that you know more than the professionals.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/32815/marcus-stroman
Checking his game logs, the only two good "quality starts" in the past month were against Minne and Phillies. At least he pitched well against the worst teams. By many metrics, he has been the worst starter in AL over the past month. He had a coupla rough starts earlier too.
So what is to be done?
I don't think we can send him down to the minors as that would be too much of an insult to a key guy from the drive of 2015. So the best option is to put him in the bullpen and try to get his mechanics or confidence back pitching in low leverage situations.
Maybe like Tom Gordon, he is too small to carry the grind of starting pitching. Maybe he might excel as setup for Osuna, we still need a good one.
The Jays are contending so we cannot afford to let him "work his way out of it" while his losses pile up.
I still think he is focussing on too much low stuff. He has to change the hitters' eye level and make them defend more space. If everything is from belt down, that's all the hitters look for. He doesn't have to be in the strike zone, but he does have to use all four "areas"-in, out, up and down. Easy analogy right now is a soccer goalie-it would sure be a lot easier to defend the goal if he knew the shooters would not shoot in the left half of the net.
Tend to agree with you, he has to be able to get the "show me" high pitch in for a strike. He has to be able to locate his pitches and he appears to have lost that part of his game. I don't think t would hurt him to change place with Hutch for a few games, it will give the Jays a better idea what Hutch will do when back in the bigs and give Stroman a chance to settle himself down and get his game back.
IMO Stroman is a starter and not a set up man, so I don't see him in the bull pen other than maybe, long relief.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/breaking-recent-improvement-blue-jays-bullpen/
Sportsnet article on the ups and downs of the pen.
Sportsnet article on the ups and downs of the pen.
Catchers call the pitches, but pitchers always have the last say and can call off catcher's pitches (which they often do)
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Unless runners are in scoring position where often the bench has a say.
Ok let's package Tulo and Fidel Castro (the beard) for Andrew Miller. Ya right as if lol.
Philip
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Not that I am a Shapeero fan but this article from today compares the $30M that could have been spent on Price vs. the $30M that they actually spent on alternatives to Price.
https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue...blue-jays-decision-to-let-their-ace-walk.html
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Maybe a little Travis. Who's hot plays. I dunno. I just like the lineup better witout Jose and Tulo. But Jose might come Back, go on a tear and I love him all of a sudden. But he represents a style of hitting that I like the Jays better without.
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That's a good article. It's definitely hard to assess it at this point... But so far so good. All I know is with or without Price, my day still feels empty without hearing the BlueJays orchestra song on Rogers lol.
Philip
