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Try actually reading the articles in this thread that explicitly discussed whether the known interaction with the moon explains the changes.

i have read the article it is bullshit and the latest climate alarmism nonsense that ignore earth's history millions of years ago when the earth's rotation was faster and a day was shorter than 24 hours. tidal friction between the moon and the earth is slowing down earth's rotation NOT climate. constantly repeating the claim that climate is slowing down rotation does not make it true.
 

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i have read the article it is bullshit and the latest climate alarmism nonsense that ignore earth's history millions of years ago when the earth's rotation was faster and a day was shorter than 24 hours. tidal friction between the moon and the earth is slowing down earth's rotation NOT climate. constantly repeating the claim that climate is slowing down rotation does not make it true.
I didn't see any credible response from you. You totally ignored the data. The effect of the moon DOES NOT account for the changes. It simply doesn't. You are right that the moon has an effect, but that effect only explains part of the change.
 

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I didn't see any credible response from you. You totally ignored the data. The effect of the moon DOES NOT account for the changes. It simply doesn't. You are right that the moon has an effect, but that effect only explains part of the change.


http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae695.cfm

Question
Is the earth's rotation slowing down?
Asked by: Mallory Thomson

Answer
Yes it is, due to a transfer of Earth's rotational momentum to the Moon's orbital momentum as tidal friction slows the Earth's rotation. That increase in the Moon's speed is causing it to slowly recede from Earth (about 4 cm per year), increasing its orbital period and the length of a month as well.
To picture what is happening, imagine yourself riding a bicycle on a track built around a Merry-go-Round. You are riding in the same direction that it is turning. If you have a lasso and rope one of the horses, you would gain speed and the Merry-Go-Round would lose some. In this analogy, you and your bike represent the Moon, the Merry-Go-Round is the rotating Earth, and your lasso is gravity. In orbital mechanics, a gain in speed results in a higher orbit.

The slowing rotation of the Earth results in a longer day as well as a longer month. Once the length of a day equals the length of a month, the tidal friction mechanism will cease. (ie. Once your speed on the track matches the speed of the horses, you can't gain any more speed with your lasso trick.) That's been projected to happen once the day and month both equal about 47 (current) days, billions of years in the future. If the Earth and Moon still exist, the Moon's distance will have increased to about 135% of its current value.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_rotation

Earth's rotation is slowing slightly with time; thus, a day was shorter in the past. This is due to the tidal effects the Moon has on Earth's rotation. Atomic clocks show that a modern day is longer by about 1.7 milliseconds than a century ago,[1] slowly increasing the rate at which UTC is adjusted by leap seconds.
 

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No shit Sherlock but the article explicitly says that effect alone doesn't explain the changes. You also need to factor in several more things to get a true picture of the changes in earth's rotation.

You seem completely oblivious to the fact the stuff you linked was already accounted for in the research.
 

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No shit Sherlock but the article explicitly says that effect alone doesn't explain the changes. You also need to factor in several more things to get a true picture of the changes in earth's rotation.

You seem completely oblivious to the fact the stuff you linked was already accounted for in the research.


earth rotation is not affected by climate nor glaciers.
 

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Wrong. The research mentioned above, which explicitly included all effects from the moon as well as other factors, totally disproved that statement.
they used computer models. computer models are different from doing real research out in the field
 

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they used computer models. computer models are different from doing real research out in the field
Physics is an exact science, the effect the moon has on the rotation of the earth can be calculated accurately. What specific concerns do you have with the way the study calculated that effect?

Or are you just mindlessly blithering?
 

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Physics is an exact science, the effect the moon has on the rotation of the earth can be calculated accurately. What specific concerns do you have with the way the study calculated that effect?

Or are you just mindlessly blithering?
and repeatidly claiming the alarmist propaganda that climate slowing the rotation of the earth is not mindlessy blithering?
 

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and repeatidly claiming the alarmist propaganda that climate slowing the rotation of the earth is not mindlessy blithering?
It's a fact.

It's also a fact that you made a bunch of claims in this thread when in reality you had absolutely no reason to believe the things you posted.
 

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It's a fact.

It's also a fact that you made a bunch of claims in this thread when in reality you had absolutely no reason to believe the things you posted.


show citations to peer reviewed research that took place out in the field, and physical evidence showing that climate is slowing earth's rotation.

they should from from scientists not climate alarmists.

while doing that explain why are you ignoring millions of years of paleontology that shows a day on earth was less than 24 hours and gradually slowed before the industrial age use to tidal friction between the earth and moon.


explain why previous alarmists claim that climate change would speed up arth's rotation


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neil-wagner/climate-change-earth-rotation-_b_1289596.html


http://www.livescience.com/53071-melting-glaciers-change-earth-spin.html


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-warming-shortens-day/


5-7 years ago they were claiming that climate change would speed the rotation.
 

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You mean other than all of those other causes have been investigated to see how well they fit current observations and they don't hold up? For example, solar activity has been seen to have some impact but it is cyclical and as several cycles have passed, observations still show an increasing trend. Even the main proponent of the theory has been found using the term 'deliverables' to describe his papers and testimonies and were paid for by the oil industry.
Investigated by whom? Nobody has disputed with facts the Soon Baliunas 2003 paper citing solar activity as a strong driver of changes in climate. It passed extensive peer review. All they do is attack the messenger because he took a few bucks from the oil/coal industry. Do you really think this guy is going to deliberately falsify research and tarnish his professional image for what amounts to less than $100K per year? What he got btw is a pittance to what the alarmist 'scientists' have raised for their phony research network.
 

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show citations to peer reviewed research that took place out in the field, and physical evidence showing that climate is slowing earth's rotation.

they should from from scientists not climate alarmists.

while doing that explain why are you ignoring millions of years of paleontology that shows a day on earth was less than 24 hours and gradually slowed before the industrial age use to tidal friction between the earth and moon.


explain why previous alarmists claim that climate change would speed up arth's rotation


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neil-wagner/climate-change-earth-rotation-_b_1289596.html


http://www.livescience.com/53071-melting-glaciers-change-earth-spin.html


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/global-warming-shortens-day/


5-7 years ago they were claiming that climate change would speed the rotation.
Just so we are all on the same page here: you were provided with links to a study. You replied disputing that study but you don't actually have even a single reason to support your claim that it failed to account for the moon's influence.

But now, having been given a reference, and not having had a single reason to dispute it, YOU are demanding more references?

Sorry, but the ball isn't just in your court here, it's already in the net.
 

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the earth's rotation have been slowing for billions of years due to tidal friction between the earth and the moon. link are climate alarmist propaganda based on computer models which can be manipulated and altered. from 2006-2015 these same alarmists where releasing "studies" claiming climate change would speeds up the rotation of the earth. how much more bullshit you alarmists released to the public?
 

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the earth's rotation have been slowing for billions of years due to tidal friction between the earth and the moon. link are climate alarmist propaganda based on computer models which can be manipulated and altered. from 2006-2015 these same alarmists where releasing "studies" claiming climate change would speeds up the rotation of the earth. how much more bullshit you alarmists released to the public?
Again, you have no reasons for the things you think. None whatsoever. You just demanding that we just believe you that the moon effect wasnt properly factored in, which is amazingly hard to believe given that the study itself discussed that moon effect extensively.

No-one should believe the nonsense you are posting.
 

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Again, you have no reasons for the things you think. None whatsoever. You just demanding that we just believe you that the moon effect wasnt properly factored in, which is amazingly hard to believe given that the study itself discussed that moon effect extensively.

5-7 years ago they were all saying global warming is speeding up earth's rotation. in the last 3 months they change their mind and said it was slowing down. why do you expect me to believe that when they can't make up their minds and constantly changing thier tune? what's next? claim climate change i affecting plate tectonics?


No-one should believe the nonsense you are posting.
no you are the only one on this board that insist on climate change slowing the earth's rotation.




http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/tidfrict.html

Tidal Friction

The tides in the oceans occur primarily because of the gravitational force of the Moon and secondarily the Sun's tidal force. Tidal forces stretch the Earth in the direction of the tide producing body because of the inverse square law, i.e., the force on the near side is greater than the force on the far side, giving a net stretching force. While more noticeable in the oceans, there is also tidal stretching of the land masses.

The tidal forces on an orbiting body slowly change the character of the orbit. For example, assume an orbiting moon which is also rotating about an axis perpendicular to the orbital plane. The tidal force stretches the moon along the line joining it with the planet, and then that stretching relaxes as that diameter rotates away from the line. There is frictional resistance to the stretching, and energy is dissipated to heat in the stretching and in the relaxing of the deformation, gradually taking energy away from the rotating system.

As the deformed moon rotates away from the connecting line, gravity exerts a torque which acts to diminish the rotational angular momentum of the moon, gradually slowing its rotation rate. This braking effect over a long time period brings the moon's rotation rate relative to the connecting line to zero, so that its rotation period approaches the orbital period and the same face is toward the planet at all times. The Earth's Moon has reached that state so that we always see the same side of the Moon. The planet Mercury is tidally locked to the Sun so that the same scorchingly hot side always faces the Sun and the other side is perpetually cold.

The Moon's tidal force on the Earth likewise influences it so that energy is being dissipated by tidal friction. As the tidal deformation of the Earth rotates away from the connecting line, the asymmetry produced by the slightly elongated shape provides a lever arm for a braking torque that slows the Earth's rotation, currently increasing the length of the day by about 2.3 milliseconds per century. A million years from now the day will be about an hour longer.
 

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The study covered the moon effect in great detail. You have STILL given NO REASON at all to believe they somehow calculated the moon effect incorrectly.

Not only did they go into the moon effect very thoroughly, they looked at other factors you've ignored like the different rotation of the earth's core.

After looking into all these things more thoroughly than you they showed you need to include ice levels to properly account for the data. They also identified the precise physics involved.
 
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