I realize you'r not to bright,...so if you need me to explain this to you,...please let me know,...always here to help you.
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Another Shooting! Near Spadina and Nassau.
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You can make all the personal insults you want,...but it doesn't change reality,...does it.
But I'll try to explain how logic works,...1st,...did you expect that the scum murdering, attacking, robbing people would , the very next day after that "carding" was going to be stopped,... would instantly come out of hiding,...that's ridiculous,...isn't it.
And, I give a shit about the "opinion" of some dumb ass Fiberal Left writer in the RED STAR has to say,...meaningless.
Obviously you have a personal interest in the subject,...and therefor have a biased outlook,...so be it,
If you have an "opinion",...fine,...but drop the insults,...you may come across as some one who might actually have some plausible input.
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To remind you,...since you have obviously forgotten,...you replied to my post regarding "carding",...NOT about the case in point on this thread.
Just were the hell did I state anything inflammatory,...now your comments,...would definitely fit.
You are STILL missing the SIMPLE logical point I made,...but you chose to rant instead of thinking rationally.
THINK about this for a moment lady,...if the scum wondering the streets looking for a victim,...or stalking a known target, were concerned about being questioned by LE,...that would be a deterrent,...did that ever enter your mind,...NO,...YOU had to bring race into this,...NOT me.
But I guess you would rather have to deal with the result of a crime,...rather trying to reduce the possibility of one happening in the first place.
Proactive is ALWAYS better than reactive,...its too late then.
A "published journalist",...who gives a shit.
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Fine, you're a house negro then.
Why don't you bring your proposals to your ethnic community? Saying these things on an escort board is useless.
Trinidadians, Guyanese, Grenadians, Bajans, Ghanians, Nigerians, Ethiopians etc are not the ones that need to be carded.
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Spike in Murders Has Some Toronto Cops Blaming Carding Reform
Jake Kivanc
By Jake Kivanc
Editorial Intern
February 1, 2016
Photo by the author
Toronto's murder rate has been steadily declining for the past decade, but a burst of violence last month—including a number of high-profile homicides and bloody shootouts—is making headlines. As of today, 38 shootings that have killed eight people, compared to this date last year when 23 shooting incidents resulting in two deaths.
This year's shootings—particularly the shootout that happened in Chinatown this past weekend that left two dead and three wounded—have taken the city by surprise. The last few years, while not totally peaceful, have been on the quieter end of the spectrum. Homicide in Toronto in the last five years have continued to drop to pre-2000 levels, with 2015 sitting at only 55, while Canada's national homicide rate hit its lowest since 1966.
The Toronto Police, plagued by recent scandals like the James Forcillo conviction and the string of police charges over the last week, are on the back foot. The association that represents the police force is even blaming the recent bloodshed on the scaling back of controversial policing tactics such as carding.
Mike McCormack, president of the Toronto Police Association (TPA), told VICE that he has been hearing from officers on the frontline that the rollback strategies such as carding has made police ineffective at their job. He argues that this is one of the reasons that new strings of violence are happening.
"I'm concerned that, what I'm hearing anecdotally from our members, is that there is a lack of intelligence from proactive policing in solving these crimes and preventing them," he said.
"I'm not talking about biased and arbitrary and random policing that people have defined carding as. I'm talking about legitimate, lawful, intelligence-led information gathering, which is something we do in policing that we're just not doing anymore."
Similar to New York City's infamous, stop-and-frisk program (which has been rolled back under its current mayor), carding—sometimes referred to the police as street checks—is the process of the police stopping individuals to document their identification and activity. Many critics called it a practice that infringed upon Charter rights and promoted racial profiling, and there has been no public data that shows its effectiveness in preventing crime.
Since last fall, the use of carding in Toronto has been suspended. Debate about the practice forced the hand of the provincial government, who put an end to it until police could reevaluate and find new ways to gather information from the public. While McCormack argues the practice is a key issue for the police's ability to prevent crime, not everybody agrees.
"To suggest it has to do with a change in their rules—that implies that the police control homicide. I don't think anybody in the world actually believes that," Anthony Doob, a criminology expert and professor at the University of Toronto, told VICE.
"For the police to say it has something to do with changing the rules of carding, what about 2005? What about any other year that has been high? These incidents don't track any known policy, they're purely erratic."
Doob explains that there could be a multitude of socioeconomic factors that can contribute to homicides, but notes that it's very difficult to narrow down what those are or they play off each other. He says that it's disingenuous to suggest that more aggressive policing tactics can prevent violence.
"Homicides are serious things. Whatever it is that we can do, and I don't know the answer to that, we should do," Doob added. "Sixty people being killed is 60 people who are dead, whose lives affected a large number of people. That doesn't mean we should go crazy when those deaths begin to climb. Jumping for quick solutions that have no basis in data seems to me to be sensational."
When asked by VICE whether changes in carding policy has had an impact on violence in the city, Mark Pugash, Direct of Toronto Police Corporate Communications, said that it's short-sighted to associate police initiatives with having a direct link to stopping crime, and would not comment directly on the issue of carding.
Echoing Doob, Pugash added that there are many factors at work when it comes to curbing violence and declined to make any speculations about whether gang activity in the city has had an impact on the change.
"People very often want simple answers to complicated issues. I resist the temptation to identify a single factor. One of things we've discovered over time is that this is not an issue for police alone," he said, adding that a focus on helping young people who have "gone off the track" get back on track is the police's main priority in addressing crime.
Recently, there have been criticisms of the bloated police budget amid a dipping crime rate. Critics have argued that the police force has not only gotten too large, but that the increased spending is contributing to the issue of over policing. There are also concerns about militarization through the acquisition of assault weapons and the hiring of new officers. Peter Sloly, deputy chief of the Toronto Police, recently backed some of these criticisms and faced blowback from the police force because of it.
When asked about the usefulness of a $1 billion police budget, Pugash said that the media has mischaracterized the spending and that a large portion of the money is being spent on salary increases for officers—not being pumped into more direct police initiatives. He also deflected blame for the increases, noting that the budget is negotiated by the TPA and city hall.
As with most numbers, it is perhaps best not to make any concrete conclusions with a small piece of data, such as a month's worth of shootings.
Back in 1991, Toronto had its worst year for homicides ever when 89 people were killed, followed up only by the 84 murders in 2007. 1991 is often seen as anomaly in the statistical data—a year gone bad due to a heap of gang violence.
Following the infamous 2005 Boxing Day shooting in which a 15-year-old bystander was accidentally killed by a gang-related hit during the "year of the gun," a term coined by the media due to the large number of gun homicides that year. This dialogue would continue for years whenever bursts of violence, such as the Eaton Centre shooting in 2012 orthe murders at Muzik Nightclub last year, happened in the city.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/killing-spree-in-toronto-has-some-cops-blaming-the-end-of-carding?utm_source=vicefbca
The VICE Channels
Spike in Murders Has Some Toronto Cops Blaming Carding Reform
Jake Kivanc
By Jake Kivanc
Editorial Intern
February 1, 2016
Photo by the author
Toronto's murder rate has been steadily declining for the past decade, but a burst of violence last month—including a number of high-profile homicides and bloody shootouts—is making headlines. As of today, 38 shootings that have killed eight people, compared to this date last year when 23 shooting incidents resulting in two deaths.
This year's shootings—particularly the shootout that happened in Chinatown this past weekend that left two dead and three wounded—have taken the city by surprise. The last few years, while not totally peaceful, have been on the quieter end of the spectrum. Homicide in Toronto in the last five years have continued to drop to pre-2000 levels, with 2015 sitting at only 55, while Canada's national homicide rate hit its lowest since 1966.
The Toronto Police, plagued by recent scandals like the James Forcillo conviction and the string of police charges over the last week, are on the back foot. The association that represents the police force is even blaming the recent bloodshed on the scaling back of controversial policing tactics such as carding.
Mike McCormack, president of the Toronto Police Association (TPA), told VICE that he has been hearing from officers on the frontline that the rollback strategies such as carding has made police ineffective at their job. He argues that this is one of the reasons that new strings of violence are happening.
"I'm concerned that, what I'm hearing anecdotally from our members, is that there is a lack of intelligence from proactive policing in solving these crimes and preventing them," he said.
"I'm not talking about biased and arbitrary and random policing that people have defined carding as. I'm talking about legitimate, lawful, intelligence-led information gathering, which is something we do in policing that we're just not doing anymore."
Similar to New York City's infamous, stop-and-frisk program (which has been rolled back under its current mayor), carding—sometimes referred to the police as street checks—is the process of the police stopping individuals to document their identification and activity. Many critics called it a practice that infringed upon Charter rights and promoted racial profiling, and there has been no public data that shows its effectiveness in preventing crime.
Since last fall, the use of carding in Toronto has been suspended. Debate about the practice forced the hand of the provincial government, who put an end to it until police could reevaluate and find new ways to gather information from the public. While McCormack argues the practice is a key issue for the police's ability to prevent crime, not everybody agrees.
"To suggest it has to do with a change in their rules—that implies that the police control homicide. I don't think anybody in the world actually believes that," Anthony Doob, a criminology expert and professor at the University of Toronto, told VICE.
"For the police to say it has something to do with changing the rules of carding, what about 2005? What about any other year that has been high? These incidents don't track any known policy, they're purely erratic."
Doob explains that there could be a multitude of socioeconomic factors that can contribute to homicides, but notes that it's very difficult to narrow down what those are or they play off each other. He says that it's disingenuous to suggest that more aggressive policing tactics can prevent violence.
"Homicides are serious things. Whatever it is that we can do, and I don't know the answer to that, we should do," Doob added. "Sixty people being killed is 60 people who are dead, whose lives affected a large number of people. That doesn't mean we should go crazy when those deaths begin to climb. Jumping for quick solutions that have no basis in data seems to me to be sensational."
When asked by VICE whether changes in carding policy has had an impact on violence in the city, Mark Pugash, Direct of Toronto Police Corporate Communications, said that it's short-sighted to associate police initiatives with having a direct link to stopping crime, and would not comment directly on the issue of carding.
Echoing Doob, Pugash added that there are many factors at work when it comes to curbing violence and declined to make any speculations about whether gang activity in the city has had an impact on the change.
"People very often want simple answers to complicated issues. I resist the temptation to identify a single factor. One of things we've discovered over time is that this is not an issue for police alone," he said, adding that a focus on helping young people who have "gone off the track" get back on track is the police's main priority in addressing crime.
Recently, there have been criticisms of the bloated police budget amid a dipping crime rate. Critics have argued that the police force has not only gotten too large, but that the increased spending is contributing to the issue of over policing. There are also concerns about militarization through the acquisition of assault weapons and the hiring of new officers. Peter Sloly, deputy chief of the Toronto Police, recently backed some of these criticisms and faced blowback from the police force because of it.
When asked about the usefulness of a $1 billion police budget, Pugash said that the media has mischaracterized the spending and that a large portion of the money is being spent on salary increases for officers—not being pumped into more direct police initiatives. He also deflected blame for the increases, noting that the budget is negotiated by the TPA and city hall.
As with most numbers, it is perhaps best not to make any concrete conclusions with a small piece of data, such as a month's worth of shootings.
Back in 1991, Toronto had its worst year for homicides ever when 89 people were killed, followed up only by the 84 murders in 2007. 1991 is often seen as anomaly in the statistical data—a year gone bad due to a heap of gang violence.
Following the infamous 2005 Boxing Day shooting in which a 15-year-old bystander was accidentally killed by a gang-related hit during the "year of the gun," a term coined by the media due to the large number of gun homicides that year. This dialogue would continue for years whenever bursts of violence, such as the Eaton Centre shooting in 2012 orthe murders at Muzik Nightclub last year, happened in the city.
http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/killing-spree-in-toronto-has-some-cops-blaming-the-end-of-carding?utm_source=vicefbca
LOL!
Someone needs their simple-minded, dumb, racist ass hand to them... FAST!
You are a Simpleton and like many Simpleton's, you rely on logically fallacies to try to make your biased opinions look intelligent and based in fact and logic.
Here is the formal logical fallacy you are relying on; "cum hoc ergo propter hoc" .
In simple terms; correlation does not imply causation.
I suspect it wold be more of close guess someone suggested that maybe a an unusually warm January has resulted in more late night street activity and such activity carrying on well past 3:00am ...than would otherwise occur in the bitter cold of a late night Saturday night of last January.
You and the mysoginist racist un-Canada Man say to "connect the dots between the murders and Fiberal Cardngthat Kathleen Wynne and her Fiberals and her new Carding Rules is the cause. And anyone who can't see that is stupid and biased with an agenda!
Psssst.... the new Rules (NOT a prohibition of end to carding) are NOT EVEN BEING INTRODUCED UNTIL MARCH! Another MONTH away!
Pretty damn effective already huh!
Too bad that Mafia Don's son-in-law hand been carded since the beginning of January! Then again, he and the old man were well known to police and every level of law enforcement for decades. But since the carding has stopped (although it hasn't!) the son in law took the opportunity to knock off the father-in law. I guess carding is a more plausible cause than maybe a historically high cause if murder., domestic-family fights is more in line with bashing Fiberals, Premier Dyke and the gorillas now running wild in the city, killing each other over the Banana Trade?
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I could just as easily say that here have been more murders because it has been warm January.
But then Simletons like you and others will start up a discussion on global warming and bang on your pos and pans
Crime is down in Toronto and Chicago, very few murders are random.
What if we had a similar practice as carding to catch child pornographers or pedophiles. Stop by computer checks of the homes of guys that fit the demographic of these perps. Sun Media would be bitching forever, public outcry would be overwhelming.
Funny nobody here cares about the the privacy breaches (moderator deleted my thread) or white collar crimes that actually affect society more than these sensational headlines.
Simple fact is that without carding gang members are now taking their guns with them more places. I don't get how that is so hard to understand.
That makes no sense whatsoever. Carding is not a "search." Someone can still carry a gun while being carded and the police wouldn't know unless they did a pat down.
Carding is racial profiling, stopping someone just because they look a certain way and trying to get their personal info from them.
Do you think people who are being carded tell the cops that someone has a gun? Or what's going down? It does not work like that!
http://www.cp24.com/news/one-person-critically-injured-in-north-york-shooting-1.2205477
Saw on CP24 there was another shooting at 145 Neptune Drive last night. 3rd time since January 6th.
The police will probably now canvass the neighbors bothering innocent civilians. Invading their privacy.
BTW: Has anybody on this board ever been carded? If yes, what exactly was the conversation?
Saw on CP24 there was another shooting at 145 Neptune Drive last night. 3rd time since January 6th.
The police will probably now canvass the neighbors bothering innocent civilians. Invading their privacy.
BTW: Has anybody on this board ever been carded? If yes, what exactly was the conversation?
Since I live in the burbs, only while driving. They don’t even bother to check my insurance and ownership.
When they return your license, they tell you your vehicle matched a description or there's break ins in the area. The break ins line is a popular one.
Carding on the street is just profiling individuals into an "asshole" book. Getting your info, who your family and friends are, what you're doing here in the neighborhood etc. It's a violation of one's rights since it's mostly black and brown guys being targeted.
Chinatown is not actually Chinatown anymore. It's home to viets and fukienese now. All the Chinese people who used to live down there have relocated to markham/Richmond Hill.
Social and economic mobility is still alive and well! Some of those houses in Richmond Hill are valued at north of $2 million.
another SJW coward who is afraid to go after real misogynists.
http://tsecnetwork.ca/2015/10/04/a-tale-of-the-handmaidens-violence-against-women-in-canada/
their society.
Here in Canada, Islamicist extremists regularly and openly advocate violence against women. Ironically, police department individuals interviewed for this story are clearly aware of issues such as ‘forced suicides’ (ie honour killings and murders) and they have taken their concerns to superiors. While the (mostly white male) police department leaders appear to be supporting their front line officers, political support above them appears to be virtually non-existent. Brown women, especially if they are Muslim, do not rate the attention of municipal and provincial leaders.
A series of journalists, editors, government bureaucrats, social workers, politicians, multiculturalists and so-called feminists play the role of hand maidens to those who espouse violence. Their silence (complicity) appears to be driven by their own political correctness and cultural relativism. Castrated by fear and barren of will, they are too timid, fearful and cowardly to address the issue. Those who do try to speak out are silenced by artificial outrage or fake cries of racism and Islamophobia.
