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[nottyboi]

These are your racist words:





There is no other way to read that, you are questioning whether the Nazis systematically killed the Jews.

Yes I agree Basketcase is a racist, more of an idiot then a racist. But I don't see how my statement can be construed as racist. But then again I consider the two of you book ends.

So to clear things up, you approve of not providing aid to the Jews in concentration camps?

 

[fuji]

You denied that the Nazis were systematically slaughtering Jews. He stated that they were, you disputed it. Your words are quoted above.

 

[basketcase]

Yes I agree Basketcase is a racist, more of an idiot then a racist....

Alright. Despite the numerous threads that I call out racism against Muslims you call me racist simply because I think Israeli civilians shouldn't be subject to attacks.

Meanwhile you continue the ridiculous speculation that the Jews in the Holocaust died simply because American Jews refused to send them food. In your conspiracy world do you think that in the midst of the Nazi Death Camps they would have sent donated food to the Jews they were killing? That's pretty fucked.

 

[Frankfooter]

Alright. Despite the numerous threads that I call out racism against Muslims you call me racist simply because I think Israeli civilians shouldn't be subject to attacks.

Yes, because you won't extend that same decency to Palestinians, who you argue are a violent and incapable of peace, race.

 

[fuji]

Yes, because you won't extend that same decency to Palestinians, who you argue are a violent and incapable of peace, race.

You have tried that bullshit lie before, cut the crap: people comment on the violence of Hamas and Fatah and other thugs and terrorists and you dishonestly claim they were talking about all Palestinians. All you do is lie lie lie lie lie, you haven't got any honest arguments.

 

[basketcase]

Yes, because you won't extend that same decency to Palestinians, who you argue are a violent and incapable of peace, race.

1) Palestinians aren't a race.
2) I will defend Palestinians who use peaceful means to promote peace. For example, I will decry the conditions that other Arab states have subjected Palestinians to.

But I will not defend Palestinians who attack random Israelis, I will not defend the 57% of them who support attacks on Israeli civilians, I will not defend Palestinian leadership who praise and promote attacks on random Israeli civilians, and I will not defend Palestinian leaders who refuse any peace other than Israel's destruction like you do..

 

[basketcase]

Of course it is not surprising that you appear here to defend Notty's claims that American Jews are culpable for the Holocaust.

 

[Frankfooter]

1) Palestinians aren't a race.
.

That statement is, in and of itself, proof of your racism.

2) I will defend Palestinians who use peaceful means to promote peace.

I call on you to support and defend BDS or admit you are lying.

For example, I will decry the conditions that other Arab states have subjected Palestinians to.

I call on you to support a call for Israel to honour their legal responsibility to resolve the Palestinian refugee crisis, as this is the first and most important step to fixing the conditions of Palestinian refugees.
Either you support that call or admit you are lying again.

 

[basketcase]

That statement is, in and of itself, proof of your racism.....

Palestinians are a race? Wow. What a ridiculous claim. How are Palestinians racially different from Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, Iraqis, ...?

BDS is not a peace group. Their leaders and founders have repeatedly stated they are interested in Israel's destruction, not a two state peace. In fact founder Omar Barghouti is directly opposed to a Two State peace and has accused any Palestinians who engage in political discourse with Israelis as enemies. Also amusing is that he is a Palestinian who holds a degree from an Israeli university (shouldn't he boycott himself?).

And I fully support Israel helping solve the Palestinian refugees situation in the context of a peace deal. Camp David, the Clinton Parameters, and Olmert's offer all offered to do that. Of course that settlement requires Hamas and Fatah to actually agree to peace.

In the meantime, there has been nothing stopping Arab countries from extending basic human rights to generations of people born in their countries. If you looked up the UN Convention on Refugees, there are certain duties on a host nation that does not include permanently locking refugees into camps and denying them access to even marginal governmental services.

 

[fuji]

That statement is, in and of itself, proof of your racism.


I call on you to support and defend BDS or admit you are lying.


I call on you to support a call for Israel to honour their legal responsibility to resolve the Palestinian refugee crisis, as this is the first and most important step to fixing the conditions of Palestinian refugees.
Either you support that call or admit you are lying again.

Israel has no obligation to unilaterally resolve the Palestinian refugee crisis, that is an obligation that is shared by all parties to the conflict, particularly those Arab nations who started it. Israel is one of six nations that have an obligation, not the only one. In that capacity Israel already resettled HALF the refugees from the conflict.

As for BDS they are the media arm of a terrorist organization with Hamas and Islamic Jihad on their steering committee. They should be outlawed for their links to terrorist groups and your support for them does what sort of racist turd you are.

 

[Frankfooter]

Palestinians are a race?

They are an identifiable demographic group, which makes discrimination against them 'racism'.
As they self identify as Palestinian, it is racist to deny them that claim.

BDS is not a peace group.

Then you are a liar for claiming that you support peaceful protests by Palestinians.

And I fully support Israel helping solve the Palestinian refugees situation in the context of a peace deal.

Restitution or return, its Israel and the Palestinians choice.
One or the other has to happen.

 

[fuji]

They are an identifiable demographic group, which makes discrimination against them 'racism'.
As they self identify as Palestinian, it is racist to deny them that claim.



Then you are a liar for claiming that you support peaceful protests by Palestinians.




Restitution or return, its Israel and the Palestinians choice.
One or the other has to happen.

Nice try but Israel is only one of many nations that were involved in that war. Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and Lebanon bear the majority of the blame for the racist war of aggression they started, and therefore are primarily responsible for dealing with the refugees their war created.

Your attempts to push responsibility onto the victim of that war, Israel, are slimy and dishonest.

 

[basketcase]

They are an identifiable demographic group, which makes discrimination against them 'racism'.
As they self identify as Palestinian, it is racist to deny them that claim.

You can successfully argue that Palestinians are a distinct culture but they are not a race. They are ethnically and culturally identical to Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptians...

And directly from BDS' co-founder
“I DO NOT BUY INTO THE TWO STATE SOLUTION.
http://youtu.be/5oJRriJ2tY8

It's not a peace group.


And Israel has included restitution repeatedly.

 

[Frankfooter]

You can successfully argue that Palestinians are a distinct culture but they are not a race. They are ethnically and culturally identical to Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptians...

And directly from BDS' co-founder
“I DO NOT BUY INTO THE TWO STATE SOLUTION.
http://youtu.be/5oJRriJ2tY8

It's not a peace group.


And Israel has included restitution repeatedly.

Just because the two state solution is dead doesn't mean that Palestinians don't have routes to peace.
The one state solution with equal rights for all is probably the best solution for all parties now.

And even if your BDS quote is correct and his goal is for a greater Palestine and no Israel, his methods through BDS are peaceful.
Your attacks on peaceful protest and moves away from violence just show that you don't support the rights of Palestinian to protest apartheid and occupation in any form.
It just exposes your racism and de-humanization of Palestinians.

Personally, I think Netanyahu has killed the two state solution and equal rights for all in a one state solution is the only peaceful path forward.
Netanyahu and you have blown the chances for the two state solution.
Congrats.

 

[basketcase]

Just because the two state solution is dead doesn't mean that Palestinians don't have routes to peace.
The one state solution with equal rights for all is probably the best solution for all parties now....

First off, the UN disagrees with you. More importantly the Palestinians overwhelmingly reject your plan.

But sure, continue calling me racist because I don't support your belief that Palestinians are justified in attacking random civilians.

 

[fuji]

Just because the two state solution is dead doesn't mean that Palestinians don't have routes to peace.
The one state solution with equal rights for all is probably the best solution for all parties now.

And even if your BDS quote is correct and his goal is for a greater Palestine and no Israel, his methods through BDS are peaceful.
Your attacks on peaceful protest and moves away from violence just show that you don't support the rights of Palestinian to protest apartheid and occupation in any form.
It just exposes your racism and de-humanization of Palestinians.

Personally, I think Netanyahu has killed the two state solution and equal rights for all in a one state solution is the only peaceful path forward.
Netanyahu and you have blown the chances for the two state solution.
Congrats.

The one state solution is even deader. In a world where the Palestinians can't even share the fucking Temple Mount without going on a stabbing campaign they sure hell aren't capable of sharing an entire state.

 

[nottyboi]

You denied that the Nazis were systematically slaughtering Jews. He stated that they were, you disputed it. Your words are quoted above.

Ahh two out of context quotes, the mark of a true demagogue

 

[nottyboi]

Israel has no obligation to unilaterally resolve the Palestinian refugee crisis, that is an obligation that is shared by all parties to the conflict, particularly those Arab nations who started it. Israel is one of six nations that have an obligation, not the only one. In that capacity Israel already resettled HALF the refugees from the conflict.

As for BDS they are the media arm of a terrorist organization with Hamas and Islamic Jihad on their steering committee. They should be outlawed for their links to terrorist groups and your support for them does what sort of racist turd you are.

Israel has an obligation to deal with the refugees that have lineage to residence on land that is now part of Israel. Failure to do so is an act of ethnic cleansing.

 

[fuji]

Israel has an obligation to deal with the refugees that have lineage to residence on land that is now part of Israel. Failure to do so is an act of ethnic cleansing.

Nope. You are wrong. That is false.

1. Their ancestor wasn't ethnically cleansed, and

2. Ethnic cleansing isn't a heritable trait, and

3. Arab countries, the aggressors who started the war, are the responsible parties

Israel has an obligation to compensate people for lost property, or who are the heirs of lost property. Property rights are heritable, unlike what you are talking about.

 

[basketcase]

Israel has an obligation to deal with the refugees that have lineage to residence on land that is now part of Israel. Failure to do so is an act of ethnic cleansing.

No such thing. Israel has a legal responsibility to allow refugees to return once conditions allow - AKA peace. There is absolutely no legal precedent to force a country to take generations of people born in other countries because their ancestors were refugees.

And Israel is an absolute failure at 'ethnic cleansing' The population of Arabs in the former Mandate is 6 or 7 times what it was in 1947 and a good many of them are full Israeli citizens.