9/11 Fourteen Years Later

[TESLAMotors]

You are right. It is a waste. However, alternative theories emerge because it is a bit hard to swallow the official explanation:

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah. 

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes.



And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defence system the slip. 



Unfazed by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely. 



The laws of physics fail, and the world watches in awe as asymmetrical damage and scattered low temperature fires cause steel-framed buildings to collapse symmetrically through their own mass at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.



Despite their dastardly cunning and superb planning, they give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the destruction of steel and concrete and fall to the ground where they are quickly discovered lying on top of the mass of debris.

Meanwhile in Washington

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a jet airliner. 

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little. 

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the Pentagon. 
Without ruining the nicely mowed lawn and at a speed just too fast to capture on video.


In the skies above Pennsylvania 

Desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that would not be possible until several years later.

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, the airliner crashes into a Pennsylvania field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants except for the standard issue Muslim terrorist bandana.


During these events

President Bush continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class of primary school children.


In New York

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously. 


In Washington

The Neoconservatives are overjoyed by the arrival of the “New Pearl Harbor,” the necessary catalyst for launching their pre-planned wars.

Another great summation of the events which stink of absolute bullshit.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/silverstein.html

 

[TESLAMotors]

Tes you and I are on the same page on this as well as many other issues in our society, this is what you call keeping
an open mind, which some us of us have lost along the way. Why? Think about it. May I add that best in science, art,
and leaders of true social deveolopment, have always been open minded. God bless people like Galileo, Kennedy, and Martin Luther King.
Open mindedness is a vast subject, and once you have stopped questioning, well you might as well through in the towel, cause nothing matters any more!

 

[Titalian]

Amen !

 

[IM469]

Not to mention that the central vertical steel beams still would have been standing.

What central vertical beams ? WTC towers had a unique construction in which the floors were essentially hung from the outside support structure. This design gave the most floor space without the need for pillars. When the steel support beams sagged because of the heat (they didn't melt), they started to pull the wall inward at the support points which can be clearly seen on photos of the burning building just before the collapse. As the floor supports broke free, the floors came down and with the weight involved - there was no chance for the building to remain standing.

 

[Titalian]

The central core was an integral part of those buildings and would have had to have been compromised, through explosive devises. Which would have had to have been planted at certain levels of the core as well as the substructure.

 

[twizz]

 

[danmand]

If you are not totally brainwashed by propaganda, it is very obvious, what Noam Chomsky has been saying for years, namely that the large majority of terrorism is perpetrated by nation states. States obviously have many more resources than any band of insurgents.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I agree. (but rationality is wasted in this thread)


p.s. GPIDEAL is clearly a supporter of JFK conspiracies but even he sees the 9/11 talk as bullshit.

Not all conspiracies for JFK (i.e., SSA Bill Greer did NOT shoot JFK from the driver's seat lol and neither did SSA George Hickey accidentally from behind).

There is also much disinformation in the JFK case.

Also, the murder conspiracy can be entirely separate from the cover-up which may have had its own reasons (political, CYA, etc.)

The remaining files are supposed to be released October 27, 2017 but I doubt the CIA wants to release them. I believe there is CIA complicity in the assassination of President Kennedy, if not direct, then as an accessory. The Mafia & certain elements of the Military too.

 

[GPIDEAL]

You might need only two or three people for a JFK conspiracy. You need hundreds, or thousands, for a 9/11 conspiracy. It isn't plausible. I am also not sold that there was a JFK conspiracy, if you think it would have taken dozens of people that is an argument against it too.

And someone whose role was to fake some dats for the official report wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist.

I submit it is impossible to arrange the murder of two thousand of your own countrymen, have hundreds of people in on it, and not one single person feels so guilty and awful about betraying their own fellow citizen that they don't at least leak the story.

It is ludicrous.

Yes, it's possible that there were only a handful of people involved in Dealey Plaza that day, but there definitely 2 shooters and possibly more.

Sorry, but admission to being in a cover-up to assassinate a President isn't a slap on the wrist. High treason is quite a motivation to keep your mouth shut, if not the threat by a co-conspirator or orchestrator.

The JFK conspiracy was well orchestrated. People were on a need to know basis. Those who have talked include Carlos Marcello =>

and


David Morales => http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/top-6-jfk-files-the-cia-still-keeps-secret/

Guess what? Johnny Roselli was chopped into pieces. He supposedly knew about it. Sam 'Momo' Giancana was murdered, execution-style, before appearing in a Senate Select-Intelligence hearing on CIA-Mob collaborations. Sam Giancana's godson felt that it was the CIA that made it look like a mob hit.


P.S. The cover-up involved many people which might lead people to the wrongful impression that the murder conspiracy was a vast one. The cover-up had its own reasoning and may have been separate from the assassination itself.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Try thinking for a moment. Never mind acceleration. Take the mass of the upper floor and gently place it on the second floor. Now drop them on the third floor. That had twice the impact force of a single floor falling because it has twice the mass, and fell the same distance (the distance between floors).

The fact that the first floor contributed kinetic energy in addition to its mass means that the combined falling mass of two floors hits the third floor with MORE THAN double the force.

Now you have THREE floors falling into the fourth, with more than three times the force, then four times, then fivev times. Of course after the first floor falls it also further damages the exoskeleton, so really you have ALL the floors above that falling, not just one, a COLOSSAL mass. And that is what you see in the video.

And so on.

Intuitively, I agree with you. Yes let's forget about acceleration (interesting that he notes that you don't need to attain free fall acceleration or velocity).

I think what Miatello was also saying, is that multiple floors may have crashed down together on floors beneath, but that it didn't mean pancaking one by one in every instance.

 

[GPIDEAL]

One question then conspiracy guys; if The American government wanted to use 9/11 as an excuse for their own agenda, why demolish 3 buildings and the pentagon as well? They could have accomplished this just flying one plane into one building. They certainly didn't have to implode building 7 or even the Pentagon. I mean why kill all those people? Is flying a plane into WTC not enough? They ended up crippling the airline industry and killing 3000 people? Does that not seem like overkill to you?

As well ask yourself a question about the men who set up these explosives. To do this secretly at night would take a while. Aren't these guys 9-5 mostly? Wouldn't their friends and family notice they were working odd hours all of a sudden? They would all have to be loners with no friends or family. While guys like that are in no short supply on this thread, I don't think they are in the demolition industry. If you were someone who was in the business do you think you could do this and live with yourself afterwards? Really?

I agree with you here too.

It would've been overkill.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I'm sorry but anyone who says the mass of two floors falling five meters isn't hitting with at least twice the energy as the mass of one floor falling five meters isn't a physicist either. Go ahead, apply common sense. Two floors have twice the mass of one, now landing on a third. The structure holding each single floor wasn't designed to hold three floors weight, much less that much mass accelerated by gravity.

The official report, written by people who are experts, can give you the details if you need them from physicists.

But there are two things here for you:

1. A five year old can tell you that two bricks weigh twice as much as one, and

2. You can see for yourself in the YouTube videos that pancaking did occur. You don't need any physicist to tell you, GO LOOK AT THE VIDEOS.

Try thinking for a moment. Never mind acceleration. Take the mass of the upper floor and gently place it on the second floor. Now drop them on the third floor. That had twice the impact force of a single floor falling because it has twice the mass, and fell the same distance (the distance between floors).

The fact that the first floor contributed kinetic energy in addition to its mass means that the combined falling mass of two floors hits the third floor with MORE THAN double the force.

Now you have THREE floors falling into the fourth, with more than three times the force, then four times, then fivev times. Of course after the first floor falls it also further damages the exoskeleton, so really you have ALL the floors above that falling, not just one, a COLOSSAL mass. And that is what you see in the video.

And so on.

Just as an aside, I don't think it works the way you are saying when speaking of increasing force (but I could be wrong). Perhaps there was enough force to start a cascading effect. More force might not have been necessary.

Galileo proved that objects of different mass fall to the earth at the same rate. Heaviness is a non-issue. http://timeblimp.com/?page_id=174

However, I get what you're saying in that the suspension feature of the floors might account for successive pancaking and ultimate complete demolition. IOW, there was enough weight or mass from above to detach all the floors below as long as the top part didn't fall off to the side but straight down through to the center.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I have a feeling 9/11 conspiracy theorists have a high correlation in believing Area 51 and green martians from Mars. And also believing there used to be a super advanced city called Atlantis that ruled the world with technology better than we have today.

I wouldn't be so confident that Area 51 doesn't contain captured alien technology but that's another thread.

 

[GPIDEAL]

For sure there was a conspiracy after 911 to maneuver american opinion into accepting 2 pointless wars. The actual destruction of the towers is a bigger conspiracy to prove and quite frankly just the conspiracy after 911 should have been more than enough to get rumsfeld and chenny a bullet to the head for treason.

Ironically, Vincent Bugliosi, who wrote the pro-Warren Commission tome, Reclaiming History, implicates George W. Bush for the murder of 4,500 soldiers => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prosecution_of_George_W._Bush_for_Murder

 

[Titalian]

I agree with you here too.

It would've been overkill.

You do realize, there are demolition experts in the military.

 

[GPIDEAL]

You do realize, there are demolition experts in the military.

Yes T, but military ordinance specialists don't care about controlled demolitions. They normally want to destroy a target in as easy a way as possible.

 

[GPIDEAL]

The true demons have not yet exposed themselves, but the assassination of JFK is one key factor.

Watergate was the tip of the iceberg of the JFK Assassination.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Which would have meant the failure point being at the basement with successive parts of the building collapsing into the failure point. But what we see in the videos is that the collapse starts where the planes had hit and the fires occurred.

I agree wholeheartedly.

However, is it possible, that since the basement was so deep, that they just needed to detonate the lowest floor or floors, the explosions for which were not discernible on video?

As you said, I don't see the bottom floors collapsing in tandem with the top floors like you see in controlled-demolition videos.

I just see top few floors crashing down on all the rest.

 

[TESLAMotors]

Yes T, but military ordinance specialists don't care about controlled demolitions. They normally want to destroy a target in as easy a way as possible.

............Unless instructed otherwise.


I hope you're not assuming the people who read this are so dense that they'll believe something so simplistic "Military guys don't care about controlled demolitions, they just want things to go BOOM!".

That doesn't imply that they're not skilled enough to know how to do controlled demos.
Man you guys are really throwing anything to an already very sketchy story. LOL

 

[Titalian]

I agree wholeheartedly.

However, is it possible, that since the basement was so deep, that they just needed to detonate the lowest floor or floors, the explosions for which were not discernible on video?

As you said, I don't see the bottom floors collapsing in tandem with the top floors like you see in controlled-demolition videos.

I just see top few floors crashing down on all the rest.

Lets reverse the tables here, you are probably the most knowledgeable ones on this board when it come to the JFK assassination. In reference to the Warren Commission report. Did you believe that there was more than one shooter. Even though the Commission only claimed one lone assassin.