9/11 Fourteen Years Later

[lakeboy1]

One question then conspiracy guys; if The American government wanted to use 9/11 as an excuse for their own agenda, why demolish 3 buildings and the pentagon as well? They could have accomplished this just flying one plane into one building. They certainly didn't have to implode building 7 or even the Pentagon. I mean why kill all those people? Is flying a plane into WTC not enough? They ended up crippling the airline industry and killing 3000 people? Does that not seem like overkill to you?

As well ask yourself a question about the men who set up these explosives. To do this secretly at night would take a while. Aren't these guys 9-5 mostly? Wouldn't their friends and family notice they were working odd hours all of a sudden? They would all have to be loners with no friends or family. While guys like that are in no short supply on this thread, I don't think they are in the demolition industry. If you were someone who was in the business do you think you could do this and live with yourself afterwards? Really?

 

[Titalian]

Most of your questions can be answered in this thread.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...engineers-or-architects&highlight=twin+towers

 

[Sal1979]

Office space in any multi level building is never 100 percent occupied 365 days a year. Which makes it easier to set up explosives. False companies can be made to occupy the floors need to set up demolition charges, not hard at all.

World Trade Centers had tons of gold stored in the basement which apparently melted with the jet fuel fires that lasted for 3+ months that the fire department had a hard time putting out.

Sept 10, 2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that the FBI and CIA could find trillions of dollars in military spending it was just gone and too hard to trace. Of any side to hit the pentago the so called high jackers flew directly into the side of the pentagon which stores all the computers for military spending

Building 7 that fell after not being hit and only a small fire inside was the staging area for the FBI, CIA, and other government officials

This was all about oil and money. If it wasn't then I ask why we're all those PUT option placed on United and American Airlines in the stock market just to name a few. A handful of people made millions of dollars over night by switching stock

Larry Silverstein ironically placed terrorist attacks on his insurance policy, a first in history also and in less than 6 months later it happened. He then took his insurance company to court to fight for two separate attacks to claim more money and won

 

[lakeboy1]

I give up

 

[basketcase]

I agree that it was Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, only.

However, there are a few engineers who have examined the free fall nature of the towers, including Bldg 7, and have raised good questions that the report doesn't address. OTOH, how can explosives be rigged without anyone noticing?

My overall conclusion is: AQ conspiracy for the attack, however, the Bush administration took advantage of this by staging a phony war against Iraq and not capturing or killing OBL sooner than they could have.

I agree. (but rationality is wasted in this thread)


p.s. GPIDEAL is clearly a supporter of JFK conspiracies but even he sees the 9/11 talk as bullshit.

 

[basketcase]

Have you ever been involved in building maintenance? Do you know that most most building repairs and maintenance is done overnight when there is no office employees around. I do lot of renovations and preventive maintenance on the office towers dowtown....

Do you understand how massive and visible the prep for an implosion is? It requires explosives on every load bearing member on every floor and wires connecting them all. Because of the structure of the two big towers, that would mean every exterior beam of the skeleton would need to be wired and even the explosives would be visible on the outside of the building. And the central core would have needed a huge amount of explosives.

Simply impossible for people not to have noticed.

 

[fuji]

One floor is moving but the other is at rest AND is suspended while attached to the walls, therefore, there is resistance. The one below would slow down the one above.

Try thinking for a moment. Never mind acceleration. Take the mass of the upper floor and gently place it on the second floor. Now drop them on the third floor. That had twice the impact force of a single floor falling because it has twice the mass, and fell the same distance (the distance between floors).

The fact that the first floor contributed kinetic energy in addition to its mass means that the combined falling mass of two floors hits the third floor with MORE THAN double the force.

Now you have THREE floors falling into the fourth, with more than three times the force, then four times, then fivev times. Of course after the first floor falls it also further damages the exoskeleton, so really you have ALL the floors above that falling, not just one, a COLOSSAL mass. And that is what you see in the video.

And so on.

 

[basketcase]

Just to point it out, there were plenty of opportunities for settings things up and as someone just mentioned, renovations could be done at night when no one is around other than security which Bush's other brother was a part of.
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As I've already said, are you suggesting that masses of explosives were placed on pretty much every structural member of the buildings years in advance and none of the people involved have said a word about it?

Oh, and again, looking at what is required for an implosion, unless they completely closed the building down for weeks, it would be noticed. Not to mention that the exterior of the building were structural and would have required explosives hooked up to them too. Are you really saying that no one noticed explosives on the exterior of the building for years?

 

[fuji]

I'd rather believe that there was no conspiracy in the first place, then to believe, that if people were in on it, that they would admit to it.

As an analogy, there's no way in hell that someone would publicly admit to being involved in the JFK murder conspiracy, lest they be executed (what's the penalty for High Treason in the USA?).

You might need only two or three people for a JFK conspiracy. You need hundreds, or thousands, for a 9/11 conspiracy. It isn't plausible. I am also not sold that there was a JFK conspiracy, if you think it would have taken dozens of people that is an argument against it too.

And someone whose role was to fake some dats for the official report wouldn't get more than a slap on the wrist.

I submit it is impossible to arrange the murder of two thousand of your own countrymen, have hundreds of people in on it, and not one single person feels so guilty and awful about betraying their own fellow citizen that they don't at least leak the story.

It is ludicrous.

 

[basketcase]

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He concludes explosives in the basements.
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Which would have meant the failure point being at the basement with successive parts of the building collapsing into the failure point. But what we see in the videos is that the collapse starts where the planes had hit and the fires occurred.

 

[fuji]

I never new you had a structural engineering degree.

I never knew your internet connection was so damned awful that you couldn't go look at YouTube and confirm with your own damned eyes that the building pancakes.

Note: the fake experts you linked have no experience with this sort of building either. Their opinion is no more educated then yours or mine.

I do know where you can go to hear from people who not only have relevant SOUNDING job titles, but actually are expert in these matters: the official report.

And I note that your M.O. here is to ignorantly post links to bullshit on YouTube then resort to bravado when confronted with actual facts.

Facts ANYONE can see.

Facts like the building pancakes, visibly, in every single YouTube video that depicts the collapse. It does not fall into its foundation from the bottom, the whole building does not simultaneously move downwards.

You can see very clearly in all the videos that the bottom remains motionless as the floors above the impact zone fall onto it, destroying it as they fall.

You have eyes. Go and see.

 

[HobbyHorse]

What an incredible waste of time it must be, to be a conspiracy theorist, always on the edge of history and regarding it through the distortions of a funhouse mirror. What a waste of time and talent! Doesn't it get tiresome to be met consistently with the incredulity of sensible citizens? How lame a life, to fall prey to the half-assed experts who earn their living by extrapololating from selective facts to delude themselves and others into discarding the obvious. Sad, really. The whole thread.

 

[Occasionally]

I have a feeling 9/11 conspiracy theorists have a high correlation in believing Area 51 and green martians from Mars. And also believing there used to be a super advanced city called Atlantis that ruled the world with technology better than we have today.

 

[danmand]

What an incredible waste of time it must be, to be a conspiracy theorist, always on the edge of history and regarding it through the distortions of a funhouse mirror. What a waste of time and talent! Doesn't it get tiresome to be met consistently with the incredulity of sensible citizens? How lame a life, to fall prey to the half-assed experts who earn their living by extrapololating from selective facts to delude themselves and others into discarding the obvious. Sad, really. The whole thread.

You are right. It is a waste. However, alternative theories emerge because it is a bit hard to swallow the official explanation:

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah. 

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes.



And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defence system the slip. 



Unfazed by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely. 



The laws of physics fail, and the world watches in awe as asymmetrical damage and scattered low temperature fires cause steel-framed buildings to collapse symmetrically through their own mass at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.



Despite their dastardly cunning and superb planning, they give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the destruction of steel and concrete and fall to the ground where they are quickly discovered lying on top of the mass of debris.

Meanwhile in Washington

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a jet airliner. 

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little. 

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the Pentagon. 
Without ruining the nicely mowed lawn and at a speed just too fast to capture on video.


In the skies above Pennsylvania 

Desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that would not be possible until several years later.

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, the airliner crashes into a Pennsylvania field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants except for the standard issue Muslim terrorist bandana.


During these events

President Bush continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class of primary school children.


In New York

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously. 


In Washington

The Neoconservatives are overjoyed by the arrival of the “New Pearl Harbor,” the necessary catalyst for launching their pre-planned wars.

 

[Titalian]

Nicely summarized danmand.

 

[Titalian]

 

[someone]

Please enlighten us on the following "conspiriacies"
1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate” Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’

I could not get past this part. Bentham Open is one of the most famous of predatory publishers. For those who are unaware, predatory publishers are publishers of journals that pretend to be peer reviewed but are really vanity presses. It markets to academics who have trouble getting published in legitimate journals but hope promotion and tenure committees will not look closely enough to see that what they are claiming as peer reviewed publications are really predatory journals. The most authorative list of predatory publishers is kept by Jeffrey Beall. Indeed, it was a review he was asked to do about Betham Open that led it his list which is why I say Bentham Open is the most famous (perhaps I should say infamous) preditory publisher. His list of predatory publishers can be found here: http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/ . If you want to get published but are not good enough for a real journal, just pay the fees and submit to one on his list.

 

[benstt]

I have a feeling 9/11 conspiracy theorists have a high correlation in believing Area 51 and green martians from Mars. And also believing there used to be a super advanced city called Atlantis that ruled the world with technology better than we have today.

That, and being kind of fucking stupid.

 

[Titalian]

I could not get past this part. Bentham Open is one of the most famous of predatory publishers. For those who are unaware, predatory publishers are publishers of journals that pretend to be peer reviewed but are really vanity presses. It markets to academics who have trouble getting published in legitimate journals but hope promotion and tenure committees will not look closely enough to see that what they are claiming as peer reviewed publications are really predatory journals. The most authorative list of predatory publishers is kept by Jeffrey Beall. Indeed, it was a review he was asked to do about Betham Open that led it his list which is why I say Bentham Open is the most famous (perhaps I should say infamous) preditory publisher. His list of predatory publishers can be found here: http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/ . If you want to get published but are not good enough for a real journal, just pay the fees and submit to one on his list.

 

[danmand]

I could not get past this part. Bentham Open is one of the most famous of predatory publishers. For those who are unaware, predatory publishers are publishers of journals that pretend to be peer reviewed but are really vanity presses. It markets to academics who have trouble getting published in legitimate journals but hope promotion and tenure committees will not look closely enough to see that what they are claiming as peer reviewed publications are really predatory journals. The most authorative list of predatory publishers is kept by Jeffrey Beall. Indeed, it was a review he was asked to do about Betham Open that led it his list which is why I say Bentham Open is the most famous (perhaps I should say infamous) preditory publisher. His list of predatory publishers can be found here: http://scholarlyoa.com/publishers/ . If you want to get published but are not good enough for a real journal, just pay the fees and submit to one on his list.

"not good enough for a real journal" is definitely one possible reason, but not necessarily the only reason. Maybe no "regular" scientific journal will publish an article that conflicts with the official story of 9/11.

You see, Someone, there is no easy way to stop conspiracy theories from emerging. The only way to avoid conspiracy theories, is when the "official" story makes sense to most people. The conspiracy theories about Nasa faking the moon landings have gone nowhere, but the official story of the 9/11 attack does not make sense to many people.

I personally know the father of one of the victims on the plane that crashed into the ground, but I still do not believe the whole story. It just is not plausible to me. Of course, I have no idea about what really happened.