9/11 Fourteen Years Later

Titalian

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Your whole conspiracy theory fell apart when you had no answer to his post. We all smell bullshit.

The WTC buildings weren't even built on the conventional design that your ludicrous internet kook theory imagines. Unlike the buildings in your controlled demolition fantasy, the WTC buildings were suspended from an exoskeleton, a design totally unlike tthe internally supported buildings your controlled demolition theory required.

In other words your crazy theory didn't even get the basic architecture right.

Yes, the smell is BS permeates this thread.
Yada Yada Yada, those buildings were sound, they had to get rid of them because of the asbestos and the owners found partners that could accomplish this !!
 

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Yes, he was the CHIEF electrical man of the towers, but I HIGHLY doubt they would hire some guy who only knew about wiring. His knowledge would have to go a little beyond "Soldering 101".
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What crap. The guy is an expert on designing electrical systems in a large building. The only contact he would have with the structure is being told what spaces he could use and maybe be given a weight limit for certain elements.

And are you now suggesting that they filled the building with explosives in 1995 for an attack 6 years later? Shit these theories are becoming more and more wild.

If you ever looked at the work involved in a building implosion you would have to admit that it would have been impossible that no one noticed (not to mention the hundreds/thousands of people who have to be involved in it)

I mean, according to Lakeguy, 1 building would take 4-6 months to wire up, this building was HALF the size, so at the VERY least 2 months.
I'll even give you a MONTH. But a few hours????? IN a huge mess of a city?
I'm not even sure what your point is about this; to me it seems one of those self contradictory arguments. It would be impossible to prepare a controlled implosion for an intact building in a few hours. That's why few rational people believe there was a controlled demolition.


(And again, in what world does the owner of a building give orders to the fire department?)
 

Titalian

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I suppose in this case, Jesus is played by the American government and these guys who believe the government's story (along with the corporate media) are the sheep.

I'd hate to have their mindset or lack thereof.
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Fighting for the truth is one thing, knowing the truth is another.
 

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Ive always wondered what fuji's background is
With 61702 post in 10 years here that works out to 6170.2 post per year or 16.9 per day for the past ten years.

That screems moms basement doesnt it?

My Guess: Asian (hence the handle)
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My guess is he has no life that is why he constantly posts on here and starting argument after argument with everyone he disagrees with. Calling them either stupid, morons, or antisemitic just because he disagrees with them or just because they criticize certain countries actions.
He tries to be an internet bully and internet bullies are usually socially awkward in real life, trying to take their real life anger on people over the internet.

He is a capitalist, pro American propaganda mouth piece that is so close minded that he can't learn anything new or anything that he does not see on FOX TV or CNN.
 

fuji

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Yada Yada Yada, those buildings were sound, they had to get rid of them because of the asbestos and the owners found partners that could accomplish this !!
The building was not constructed the way 99.999% of high-rises are, primarily supported by internal columns. Instead it followed a design used by only a couple of other buildings worldwide. It was constructed from a huge self supporting exoskeleton from which the floors were hung.

This cockamamie theory about thermite and controlled demolition doesn't even make sense.

People in this thread talk nonsense and post links that are nonsense, then try and use bluster to get past the obvious problems with their claims. Even a cursory examination of the conspiracy claims reveals how ignorant they are.
 

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The building was not constructed the way 99.999% of high-rises are, primarily supported by internal columns. Instead it followed a design used by only a couple of other buildings worldwide. It was constructed from a huge self supporting exoskeleton from which the floors were hung.

This cockamamie theory about thermite and controlled demolition doesn't even make sense.

People in this thread talk nonsense and post links that are nonsense, then try and use bluster to get past the obvious problems with their claims. Even a cursory examination of the conspiracy claims reveals how ignorant they are.
Well Fuji, once again you are basing an argument on nothing at all.

No one knows the truth, because the government doesn't want it known, and have refused to REALLY find out. That in and of itself should speak volumes to MOST people except ones like you that just believe what the media and government are spoon feeding them.
 

danmand

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Tes you and I are on the same page on this as well as many other issues in our society, this is what you call keeping
an open mind, which some us of us have lost along the way. Why? Think about it. May I add that best in science, art,
and leaders of true social deveolopment, have always been open minded. God bless people like Galileo, Kennedy, and Martin Luther King.
Open mindedness is a vast subject, and once you have stopped questioning, well you might as well through in the towel, cause nothing matters any more!
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Titalian

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He is a capitalist, pro American propaganda mouth piece that is so close minded that he can't learn anything new or anything that he does not see on FOX TV or CNN.
Sad, but probably true. I have had multiple disagreements with him, and never once has he budged from his beliefs. Which leads me to think.......................
 

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You would have to be a total moron to think that it wasn't Al Qaeda. A moron willfully blinded to the facts by some anti American ideology.

9/11 conspiracy theories prove the internet is full of unthinking gullible fools.

I agree that it was Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden, only.

However, there are a few engineers who have examined the free fall nature of the towers, including Bldg 7, and have raised good questions that the report doesn't address. OTOH, how can explosives be rigged without anyone noticing?

My overall conclusion is: AQ conspiracy for the attack, however, the Bush administration took advantage of this by staging a phony war against Iraq and not capturing or killing OBL sooner than they could have.
 

GPIDEAL

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I wonder how a geneticist can help solve any riddles about Bldg 7 collapse?

OTOH, I note that Tony Szambotti, a mechanical engineer speaks in this video. I know of him and he is well-respected. He wrote a paper debunking Professor Luis Alvarez's "Jet Effect" theory in the JFK Assassination concerning the head shot (that the backward head snap was caused by human tissue blowing out the front due to a shot from the rear allegedly by Oswald). In fact, Dr. Josiah "Tink" Thompson found that Alvarez fudged his experiment to get the government's desired results, which reflected Tony Szamboti's premise. (I attended that presentation and have the pics to prove it).
 

GPIDEAL

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And here's another for you, my brother in laws uncle and cousin are FF with the FDNY and were there for the collapse. I've spoken with them and members of their crew at their firehouse in downtown Manhattan. No one ever saw any molten lava or unexplained explosions. They are appalled when they hear internet fabrications to the contrary. So who do you believe ? The honourable men of the FDNY or some internet geeks?
Are there any firefighters that talk about molten metal on any of these documentaries?
 

GPIDEAL

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The official report covers everything with far fewer gaps than this nutty kook conspiracy.

Let us set the ground rules: you don't win the debate if you can find gaps in the prevailing answers. You only win if your own theory had fewer gaps.

And you could drive the entire US Navy through the gaps in what you just posted.

Why building 7 collapsed is fully explained for you by actual experts, not internet experts, in the official report. Start by reading it.

Fuji, in a nutshell, and I don't doubt you, how did the entire buildings collapse then, if the exterior supporting exoskeletons were breached in two places high above for each building, and none in Bldg 7?
 
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Please enlighten us on the following "conspiriacies"



1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate” Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull it”. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’. “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?”. Norman Minetta testimony. “Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.”, ‘NORAD Drills’.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail” Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracy”, “The whitehouse has played cover up”, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘Moussaoui trial’ revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. ‘Sheraton Hotel’, “Double tree’, ‘Citgo”.

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” CIA created, trained and funded “Al Qaeda/Taliban” during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named ‘Tim Osman’. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8)100’s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. “Explosions in the lobby and sub levels”, ‘Firefighter explosions’, ‘Barry Jennings’, ‘William Rodriguez’.

9) 100’s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. “Like you’re in a foundry”, “NIST’s John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal”, ‘Swiss Cheese’, “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.” Leslie Robertson’.

10) ‘5 Dancing Israeli’s’ arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 that stated “We were there to document the event.” ‘Urban Moving Systems’ front company, ‘Dominic Suter’. “$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)”. “Officer DeCarlo’, ‘Art Students’, ‘Israeli Spying’.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. ‘Dov Zakheim’ Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of ‘Systems Planning Corporation’ (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. ‘9/11 Whistleblowers’, ‘Patriots for 9/11′. ‘Robert Bowman’, ‘Sibel Edmonds’, ‘Albert Stubblebine’, ‘Wesley Clark’, ‘Mark Dayton’, ‘Alan Sabrosky’, ‘Cyntha McKinney’, ‘Jesse Ventura’, ‘Kurt Sonnenfeld’. “patriotsquestion911.com”

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit it”, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners”, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting” Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.” Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, ‘OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)’, ‘1993 WTC attacks’. ‘Patrick Clawson’. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed “a New Pearl Harbor”, “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”. 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. ‘BBC wtc 7′, ‘Jane Standley’, Ashleigh Banfield’.

16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania” Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there” ‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood” Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.” Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.” Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attack”.

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTS”, ‘WTC power downs’.

22) “Who killed John O’Neil?”. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed hijackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 hijackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the hijacking code. ‘Alive hijackers’, ‘ACARS’, ‘Pilots for 9/11 Truth’.

WTC 7 (The Smoking Gun)

http://rememberbuilding7.org/

Building 7 was a 47-story skyscraper and was part of the World Trade Center complex. Built in 1984, it would have been the tallest high-rise in 33 states in the United States. It collapsed at 5:20 pm on September 11, 2001 in 6.5 Seconds at free fall acceleration. It was not hit by an airplane and suffered minimal damage compared to other buildings much closer to the Twin Towers.


Operation Northwoods was not a false flag attack. It was only a contingency plan which President Kennedy rejected.

Regardless that the Warren Commission was announced 7 days after the JFK Assassination, it was a whitewash report to appease the American people and allay any suspicions that LBJ had anything to do with it before the next election. LBJ goaded if not forced Earl Warren to chair that commission with the threat of WWIII. There were 3 commissioners that voiced their doubts about the Single Bullet Theory. The conclusion that a lone assassin was responsible for the assassination of JFK (and not a conspiracy, foreign or domestic) was pretty well reached before the investigation took place. There really was no investigation as the Warren Commission had no investigative powers of their own, but relied on the work of the FBI and CIA, who were both complicit in withholding information. The House Select Committee of Assassinations years later, confirmed this in their more detailed study.
 

Titalian

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Fuji, in a nutshell, and I don't doubt you, how did the buildings collapse then, if the exterior supporting exoskeletons were breached in two places high above for each building, and none in Bldg 7?
The fact of the the matter GB, is that people don't want to know the truth. It sacrifices what they believe in. Gawd forbid this should happen. Fortunately for me I'm not one of those.
 
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