I can't get over the smearing, which is indicative of some of the ones I am dealing with here. Please don't bother answering if this is what your going to post.
9/11 Fourteen Years Later
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14 years later:
RIP to the almost 3 000 innocent Americans that died on September 11, 2001.
RIP to the 48 000+ innocent Afghans that have died since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
RIP to the 1 600 000+ innocent Iraqis that have died and the others who have been displaced that simply the rest of the world does not give a fuck about since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
Real perpetrators are still out there. #GETDICKCHENEY #GETDUBYA
Worthy mention is RIP to the $30 000 000 000 000 yes $30 trillion in oil that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that
Worthy mention is RIP to the $20 000 000 000 000 yes $20 trillion in gold that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that.
Worthy mention is I am still waiting for the weapons of mass destruction that were "supposedly in Iraq". Yes the U.S never lies about facts prior to starting wars.
RIP to the almost 3 000 innocent Americans that died on September 11, 2001.
RIP to the 48 000+ innocent Afghans that have died since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
RIP to the 1 600 000+ innocent Iraqis that have died and the others who have been displaced that simply the rest of the world does not give a fuck about since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
Real perpetrators are still out there. #GETDICKCHENEY #GETDUBYA
Worthy mention is RIP to the $30 000 000 000 000 yes $30 trillion in oil that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that
Worthy mention is RIP to the $20 000 000 000 000 yes $20 trillion in gold that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that.
Worthy mention is I am still waiting for the weapons of mass destruction that were "supposedly in Iraq". Yes the U.S never lies about facts prior to starting wars.
9 Liberties Lost Since 9/11
Carey Wedler
September 11, 2015
(ANTIMEDIA)**Today and every year, “NEVER FORGET” echoes through the neighborhoods, cities, and Facebook statuses of America. 14 years after 9/11, Americans still bear the cross of a nation victimized and scorned after the brutal attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001. While Americans — and politicians who are still intent on capitalizing on the tragedy — vow never to forget the fateful day, far too many citizens forget the liberties they have relinquished as a result. Lest today’s valiantly waving flags, government ceremonies, and TV news specials replaying the plane crashes coax you into forgetting, these nine essential freedoms have been usurped since 9/11:
1. The liberty to not be spied upon: Essential to a free society — at least as the founders of the United States saw it — was the freedom to be left alone. In the not too distant past, government agencies suspicious of citizens had to obtain warrants to investigate private citizens. They had to prove to a judge why they deserved to violate a person’s sacrosanct privacy from the State. Though surveillance programs were in place long before 9/11, the tragedy enabled much more**far-reaching impositions.**Multiple federal agencies**— most notably the NSA — are enabled to surveil citizens, all the time — all around the world. The government’s paranoid desire for total surveillance has only grown since 9/11. The FBI, which**built the NSA’s foundation**for dragnet spying, continuously**throws temper tantrums**over its inability to spy on encrypted communications. The Department of “Justice”argued just this week**that it should have access to all Americans’ emails. A separate court recently ruled that a case challenging NSA bulk data collection**could not move forward**because the plaintiff could not prove — due to government secrecy — that he was being surveilled.
2. The liberty to not be harassed by law enforcement: The federal government’s total surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11 — or rather, the political exploitation of it. However, at the local level, police departments not only conduct their own invasive**spying with secret technology provided by the federal government**— they pose a far greater danger. Where police officers were once trusted to protect life, they now threaten it. Currently, the risk of being killed by a police officer is anywhere from**eight**to**55 times greater**than being killed by a terrorist. In 2015, police are on track to kill 1,100 Americans — and since 9/11, have killed more than died that day. This year, it was revealed that Chicago’s Homan Square operated as a black site**without due process but replete with torture. Other violations by police, constitutionally speaking, include a basic protection against unwarranted searches and seizures. This makes unauthorized**cavity searches on the side of the road**and civil asset forfeiture — a policy by which police have**stolen millions of dollars**from unaccused citizens — an egregious seizure of the freedoms Americans still drunkenly celebrate on national holidays. Checkpoints, anyone?
3. The freedom of movement and travel without being treated like a criminal: Considering how traumatized the collective American populace continues to be by incessant, repeated clips of two planes flying into the World Trade Center, it is unsurprising that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), formed after 9/11, is accepted as a vital element of modern society. Millions of Americans routinely huddle in cramped airport security lines, removing their shoes and flashing their private parts to security agents via X-ray machines so as to avoid more invasive gropings. Recently, two agents were caught tag-teaming to**grope attractive women. Theft of passenger belongings**runs rampant among officers. Racial profiling is**allowed by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the TSA. Unsurprisingly, these practices fail to find terrorists95% of the time. Meanwhile,children in wheelchairs,**the elderly, and otherwise innocent Americans are forced to endure what would amount to sexual harassment in any other environment. But rest assured, if travelers**pay a special fee, they can bypass security lines. For your safety.
4. Freedom of Speech: While no one (that the government admits to) has been black-bagged for criticizing the government yet, the State has spent years incrementally criminalizing this fundamental right. In addition to designatinganti-government activists,hippie communes, andAmericans with seed libraries**as potential terrorists, the federal government has made a habit of punishing individuals who attempt to shed light on the government’s crimes. From Bradley (Chelsea) Manning to Edward Snowden and countless others, those who attempt to inform the American people of the atrocities their government commits are promptly silenced. Though the story received little mainstream attention, the military’s new operating procedures condone**killing journalists. Further, the people’s right to free speech has been widely suppressed. During the Bush years, protesters were cordoned off into “free speech zones” to air their grievances. Today, protests are heavily patrolled by police, who do not shy away from pestering — if not abusing — people peacefully exercising their most essential constitutional right.
5.**The liberty to simply**know what the government does: When President Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008, he decried George W. Bush’s cloak of secrecy shrouding government actions. Obama vowed to be more transparent, to make the government**truly**work for the people by allowing them to know what it does. His presidency is almost over, but any echo of that sentiment has been silenced. His administration, self-designated the “most transparent in history,” is one of the**least transparentand**denies more Freedom of Information Act requests**than ever. Lawmakers refuse to reveal details of foreign policy, surveillance, and more, citing “national security” as a blanket excuse. This justification is how they**perpetuated continued warrantless spying**even after the Patriot Act expired. It is how they have instigated perpetual war with little explanation beyond “grave threats” to the American people. To say more would be to endanger the people further, of course. Whenever politicians feel threatened by real questions, they need only parrot the need for “public safety” and**drum up memories of 9/11**to shirk accountability.
6. The liberty to not be harassed by the military in your own home: Many people view the third amendment as archaic. The Revolutionary War is long over and soldiers are no longer “quartered.” However, one specific program — mutated after 9/11 — allows this violation on a daily basis. Following last year’s protests in Ferguson against police brutality, the**Pentagon’s 1033 program**has faced intense scrutiny for arming local police with high-powered military gear, from armored vehicles to battle regalia. This program has emboldened SWAT teams and other local police — paramilitary wings of law enforcement armed to the teeth — to**increasingly raid the homes of private citizens. “But they’re criminals!” loyalists might cry. But what about when they aren’t? Often, SWAT teams**raid the wrong addresses, but evenwhen they are in the right place, they inflict everything from**beatings and murder on non-violent, often innocent citizens**to**shooting family pets. The 1033 program, intended to help fight the Drug War, increased in power after 9/11 — when its**stated goal shifted toward preventing terrorism.
7. The right to a fair trial: When the near-mythical “founding fathers” crafted the Constitution, one of their greatest revolutions was ensuring fair trials to the accused. This banned cruel and unusual punishment while ensuring a speedy trial where the defendant was considered innocent until proven guilty — not the other way around, as had been practiced by despotic regimes throughout human history. However, this right to a fair trial has been increasingly eroded by autocratic elements within the so-called justice system, especially since 9/11. An Irish judge recently**refused to extradite a terror suspect**to the United States, citing fears he would endure cruel and unusual punishment. “Death by firing squad!” many patriots mourning 9/11 might chant. He is a terrorist, after all, and **“innocent until proven guilty” is a moniker of the weak and those hell-bent on seeing Americans murdered.
But what about the American citizens presumed guilty before an actual verdict is reached? Prosecutors have been criticized for**exercising racism in jury selection, biasing courts in favor of conviction. One mentally ill black man**died languishing away in prison for months**— awaiting a (non-speedy) trial for allegedly stealing less than five dollars worth of snacks from a convenience store. In more high-profile cases, the government and media go out of their way to ensure defendants are presumed guilty long before their trials start. Such was the case with Ross Ulbricht (where FBI agents were found to have**committed criminal acts during investigations**and**key evidence was suppressed). Chelsea Manning and others have faced similar fates. The government also actively campaigns against activists**attempting to educate jurors about their rights. None of these violations of due process compete with the indefinite detention provision of the 2012-present National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Language found inSection 1021(b)(2) of the NDAAallows the president to order**the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, merely for being suspected of being a threat to national security.
8. The liberty of owning your body: Though not codified in the Constitution, a basic premise of liberty is self-ownership — that free individuals may choose what they want to do with and put in their bodies. Though the Drug War has been in full swing for decades, the events of 9/11 allowed the government to regulate people’s body chemistry more heavily. While the Patriot Act is widely associated with unwarranted surveillance — as it should be — it was used**overwhelmingly to prosecute non-violent drug “crimes”**and has helped to create the**world’s largest prison population, because…freedom?
9. Economic liberty: While the state places many restrictions on economic freedom, it has done so for centuries through taxation, fees, fines, and regulations that favor corporations (such as the recent**Trans-Pacific Partnership). Still, these policies have not been contingent on the 9/11 terror attacks. What 9/11 has allowed, however, are increased piles of tax dollars to fund military adventures throughout the world. Though the military chronically eats uptrillions of dollars, every year it demands more money — and nearly**every year it gets it. Without the jarring images of 9/11 branded into Americans’ brains, the military would have a much more difficult time securing funding. Those who disagree with such expenditures (whether out of fiscal responsibility or outrage at endless violence) must square off with the IRS — an entity more terrifying to most Americans than the government’s more murderous agencies.
While the events that transpired on 9/11 should never be forgotten — and should be commemorated — often, the nationalistic grandstanding that comes along with mourning the dead removes any possibility to mourn the freedoms lost — or the very literal lost and tortured lives of individuals around the world subjected to the aggressive foreign policy enabled by 9/11. While the government is categorically to blame for these violations, it is an unfortunate fact that Americans are guilty of creating an environment where crimes against humanity go unchecked and nearly every element of American life is regulated and surveilled. By allowing themselves to be manipulated by constant fear-mongering, Americans have allowed — if not applauded — this confiscation of their freedoms.
[video]http://theantimedia.org/9-liberties-lost-since-9-11/[/video]
Carey Wedler
September 11, 2015
(ANTIMEDIA)**Today and every year, “NEVER FORGET” echoes through the neighborhoods, cities, and Facebook statuses of America. 14 years after 9/11, Americans still bear the cross of a nation victimized and scorned after the brutal attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001. While Americans — and politicians who are still intent on capitalizing on the tragedy — vow never to forget the fateful day, far too many citizens forget the liberties they have relinquished as a result. Lest today’s valiantly waving flags, government ceremonies, and TV news specials replaying the plane crashes coax you into forgetting, these nine essential freedoms have been usurped since 9/11:
1. The liberty to not be spied upon: Essential to a free society — at least as the founders of the United States saw it — was the freedom to be left alone. In the not too distant past, government agencies suspicious of citizens had to obtain warrants to investigate private citizens. They had to prove to a judge why they deserved to violate a person’s sacrosanct privacy from the State. Though surveillance programs were in place long before 9/11, the tragedy enabled much more**far-reaching impositions.**Multiple federal agencies**— most notably the NSA — are enabled to surveil citizens, all the time — all around the world. The government’s paranoid desire for total surveillance has only grown since 9/11. The FBI, which**built the NSA’s foundation**for dragnet spying, continuously**throws temper tantrums**over its inability to spy on encrypted communications. The Department of “Justice”argued just this week**that it should have access to all Americans’ emails. A separate court recently ruled that a case challenging NSA bulk data collection**could not move forward**because the plaintiff could not prove — due to government secrecy — that he was being surveilled.
2. The liberty to not be harassed by law enforcement: The federal government’s total surveillance state is a direct consequence of 9/11 — or rather, the political exploitation of it. However, at the local level, police departments not only conduct their own invasive**spying with secret technology provided by the federal government**— they pose a far greater danger. Where police officers were once trusted to protect life, they now threaten it. Currently, the risk of being killed by a police officer is anywhere from**eight**to**55 times greater**than being killed by a terrorist. In 2015, police are on track to kill 1,100 Americans — and since 9/11, have killed more than died that day. This year, it was revealed that Chicago’s Homan Square operated as a black site**without due process but replete with torture. Other violations by police, constitutionally speaking, include a basic protection against unwarranted searches and seizures. This makes unauthorized**cavity searches on the side of the road**and civil asset forfeiture — a policy by which police have**stolen millions of dollars**from unaccused citizens — an egregious seizure of the freedoms Americans still drunkenly celebrate on national holidays. Checkpoints, anyone?
3. The freedom of movement and travel without being treated like a criminal: Considering how traumatized the collective American populace continues to be by incessant, repeated clips of two planes flying into the World Trade Center, it is unsurprising that the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), formed after 9/11, is accepted as a vital element of modern society. Millions of Americans routinely huddle in cramped airport security lines, removing their shoes and flashing their private parts to security agents via X-ray machines so as to avoid more invasive gropings. Recently, two agents were caught tag-teaming to**grope attractive women. Theft of passenger belongings**runs rampant among officers. Racial profiling is**allowed by the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees the TSA. Unsurprisingly, these practices fail to find terrorists95% of the time. Meanwhile,children in wheelchairs,**the elderly, and otherwise innocent Americans are forced to endure what would amount to sexual harassment in any other environment. But rest assured, if travelers**pay a special fee, they can bypass security lines. For your safety.
4. Freedom of Speech: While no one (that the government admits to) has been black-bagged for criticizing the government yet, the State has spent years incrementally criminalizing this fundamental right. In addition to designatinganti-government activists,hippie communes, andAmericans with seed libraries**as potential terrorists, the federal government has made a habit of punishing individuals who attempt to shed light on the government’s crimes. From Bradley (Chelsea) Manning to Edward Snowden and countless others, those who attempt to inform the American people of the atrocities their government commits are promptly silenced. Though the story received little mainstream attention, the military’s new operating procedures condone**killing journalists. Further, the people’s right to free speech has been widely suppressed. During the Bush years, protesters were cordoned off into “free speech zones” to air their grievances. Today, protests are heavily patrolled by police, who do not shy away from pestering — if not abusing — people peacefully exercising their most essential constitutional right.
5.**The liberty to simply**know what the government does: When President Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008, he decried George W. Bush’s cloak of secrecy shrouding government actions. Obama vowed to be more transparent, to make the government**truly**work for the people by allowing them to know what it does. His presidency is almost over, but any echo of that sentiment has been silenced. His administration, self-designated the “most transparent in history,” is one of the**least transparentand**denies more Freedom of Information Act requests**than ever. Lawmakers refuse to reveal details of foreign policy, surveillance, and more, citing “national security” as a blanket excuse. This justification is how they**perpetuated continued warrantless spying**even after the Patriot Act expired. It is how they have instigated perpetual war with little explanation beyond “grave threats” to the American people. To say more would be to endanger the people further, of course. Whenever politicians feel threatened by real questions, they need only parrot the need for “public safety” and**drum up memories of 9/11**to shirk accountability.
6. The liberty to not be harassed by the military in your own home: Many people view the third amendment as archaic. The Revolutionary War is long over and soldiers are no longer “quartered.” However, one specific program — mutated after 9/11 — allows this violation on a daily basis. Following last year’s protests in Ferguson against police brutality, the**Pentagon’s 1033 program**has faced intense scrutiny for arming local police with high-powered military gear, from armored vehicles to battle regalia. This program has emboldened SWAT teams and other local police — paramilitary wings of law enforcement armed to the teeth — to**increasingly raid the homes of private citizens. “But they’re criminals!” loyalists might cry. But what about when they aren’t? Often, SWAT teams**raid the wrong addresses, but evenwhen they are in the right place, they inflict everything from**beatings and murder on non-violent, often innocent citizens**to**shooting family pets. The 1033 program, intended to help fight the Drug War, increased in power after 9/11 — when its**stated goal shifted toward preventing terrorism.
7. The right to a fair trial: When the near-mythical “founding fathers” crafted the Constitution, one of their greatest revolutions was ensuring fair trials to the accused. This banned cruel and unusual punishment while ensuring a speedy trial where the defendant was considered innocent until proven guilty — not the other way around, as had been practiced by despotic regimes throughout human history. However, this right to a fair trial has been increasingly eroded by autocratic elements within the so-called justice system, especially since 9/11. An Irish judge recently**refused to extradite a terror suspect**to the United States, citing fears he would endure cruel and unusual punishment. “Death by firing squad!” many patriots mourning 9/11 might chant. He is a terrorist, after all, and **“innocent until proven guilty” is a moniker of the weak and those hell-bent on seeing Americans murdered.
But what about the American citizens presumed guilty before an actual verdict is reached? Prosecutors have been criticized for**exercising racism in jury selection, biasing courts in favor of conviction. One mentally ill black man**died languishing away in prison for months**— awaiting a (non-speedy) trial for allegedly stealing less than five dollars worth of snacks from a convenience store. In more high-profile cases, the government and media go out of their way to ensure defendants are presumed guilty long before their trials start. Such was the case with Ross Ulbricht (where FBI agents were found to have**committed criminal acts during investigations**and**key evidence was suppressed). Chelsea Manning and others have faced similar fates. The government also actively campaigns against activists**attempting to educate jurors about their rights. None of these violations of due process compete with the indefinite detention provision of the 2012-present National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Language found inSection 1021(b)(2) of the NDAAallows the president to order**the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, merely for being suspected of being a threat to national security.
8. The liberty of owning your body: Though not codified in the Constitution, a basic premise of liberty is self-ownership — that free individuals may choose what they want to do with and put in their bodies. Though the Drug War has been in full swing for decades, the events of 9/11 allowed the government to regulate people’s body chemistry more heavily. While the Patriot Act is widely associated with unwarranted surveillance — as it should be — it was used**overwhelmingly to prosecute non-violent drug “crimes”**and has helped to create the**world’s largest prison population, because…freedom?
9. Economic liberty: While the state places many restrictions on economic freedom, it has done so for centuries through taxation, fees, fines, and regulations that favor corporations (such as the recent**Trans-Pacific Partnership). Still, these policies have not been contingent on the 9/11 terror attacks. What 9/11 has allowed, however, are increased piles of tax dollars to fund military adventures throughout the world. Though the military chronically eats uptrillions of dollars, every year it demands more money — and nearly**every year it gets it. Without the jarring images of 9/11 branded into Americans’ brains, the military would have a much more difficult time securing funding. Those who disagree with such expenditures (whether out of fiscal responsibility or outrage at endless violence) must square off with the IRS — an entity more terrifying to most Americans than the government’s more murderous agencies.
While the events that transpired on 9/11 should never be forgotten — and should be commemorated — often, the nationalistic grandstanding that comes along with mourning the dead removes any possibility to mourn the freedoms lost — or the very literal lost and tortured lives of individuals around the world subjected to the aggressive foreign policy enabled by 9/11. While the government is categorically to blame for these violations, it is an unfortunate fact that Americans are guilty of creating an environment where crimes against humanity go unchecked and nearly every element of American life is regulated and surveilled. By allowing themselves to be manipulated by constant fear-mongering, Americans have allowed — if not applauded — this confiscation of their freedoms.
[video]http://theantimedia.org/9-liberties-lost-since-9-11/[/video]
So you think you'd only have to take out the support of one or two floors to take the whole building down, I see.
That sure makes it look easier.
Not to mention that the central vertical steel beams still would have been standing.
14 years later:
RIP to the almost 3 000 innocent Americans that died on September 11, 2001.
RIP to the 48 000+ innocent Afghans that have died since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
RIP to the 1 600 000+ innocent Iraqis that have died and the others who have been displaced that simply the rest of the world does not give a fuck about since September 11, 2001 for a crime they didn't commit.
Real perpetrators are still out there. #GETDICKCHENEY #GETDUBYA
Worthy mention is RIP to the $30 000 000 000 000 yes $30 trillion in oil that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that
Worthy mention is RIP to the $20 000 000 000 000 yes $20 trillion in gold that has been stolen from Iraq that majority of you will never find out about or refuse to believe that it has been stolen because the U.S would never do something like that.
Worthy mention is I am still waiting for the weapons of mass destruction that were "supposedly in Iraq". Yes the U.S never lies about facts prior to starting wars.
Thank you for this gentlemen, I can see what you see. My only wish, is that others would.
Final note and I'm off this thread, What ever happened to the the three Israelis that were caught celebrating on a roof top as the towers were collapsing, their vehicles no less loaded with explosives !!!
For sure there was a conspiracy after 911 to maneuver american opinion into accepting 2 pointless wars. The actual destruction of the towers is a bigger conspiracy to prove and quite frankly just the conspiracy after 911 should have been more than enough to get rumsfeld and chenny a bullet to the head for treason.
The true demons have not yet exposed themselves, but the assassination of JFK is one key factor.
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After a certain point, people just have to refuse to enter into dialogue with these people, and call it out for what it is. Some people are clever charlatans in this game, and there are a lot of conspiracy followers who for whatver psychological reason want to believe the all-powerful US government could not have seen this coming. And there's a lot of dumb fucks who quote charlatan science without a clue.
The bearded guy was a multi millionaire with a huge following who had pulled off sophisticated attacks against US targets in the past, including direct assaults on US Navy ships.
As for hard drinkers, I bet quite a few navy seals are hard drinkers. Is it your assertion that hard drinkers are operationally ineffective? These guys found a weakness in the system that allowed them to take over airplanes and fly them into buildings. It wasn't mission impossible, it was poor security that failed to stop this sort of attack.
You hate is the US doesn't excuse you from posting garbage, your post above is pretty pathetic and demonstrates a closed and clouded mind.
Right, because the conspiracy extends to the publishers of every scientific journal. They are all in the pay of the CIA and winked knowingly at the authors when they rejected this garbage for publication.
You must schizophrenic.
P S., you next door neighbor works for the CIA too and is spying on you using nano robots that are crawling all over your skin.
Fuji, I'm sure you have some time before Mom calls you up for breakfast, but the CIA is a sleazy organization. They are Saints of the world, sorry to burst your bubble.
America IS the laughing stock of the world and you're proud of it. 1+1 = you in this case.
I hope one day we can meet, I'd love to see if I picture you accurately, Sal, certainly helped repaint the image. LOL
You love Israel to death, you love America to death, anything they do is right, anything else that says or does otherwise is wrong or anti-semitic.
You sir are fucking KOO KOO to the nTH degree.
Get out of that damn basement and into the real world once in awhile.
No gaming for you for a week.
One word for all you guys that think "oh nozzz, how could something like this be kept secret?"
BLACKWATER, remember them? Established in 1997, I heard of these guys back before 9/11
Mercenaries for hire and training.
One of the highjackers had their number in their book.
http://yournewswire.com/smoking-gun-911-hijacker-had-blackwater-phone-number-in-notebook/
Court document here-> http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/MN00601.pdf
Intentionally dishonest or incredibly naive bunch we got here on this board.
You have a bunch of guys, running around making laws and policies behind closed doors.
Obama for fuck sakes criticized the beloved Patriot Act in 2005.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/...t-in-2005-but-quickly-signed-it-as-president/
Then what does he do? He signs provisions to extend from the Patriot Act into the newly labelled "FREEDOM ACT".
If this doesn't prove to you that the governments, namely, politicians are puppets, then you are truly naive or stupid.
No sense in debating anymore.
Had Obama not signed any of these provisions, then you'd have a great point to debate, but nobody can.
The political system is a joke and there are things behind closed doors you'll NEVER ever heard about in your lifetime, maybe your grandchildren will hear of these stories, that's assuming they weren't swallowed or ended up on some girls chest.
BLACKWATER, remember them? Established in 1997, I heard of these guys back before 9/11
Mercenaries for hire and training.
One of the highjackers had their number in their book.
http://yournewswire.com/smoking-gun-911-hijacker-had-blackwater-phone-number-in-notebook/
Court document here-> http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/MN00601.pdf
Intentionally dishonest or incredibly naive bunch we got here on this board.
You have a bunch of guys, running around making laws and policies behind closed doors.
Obama for fuck sakes criticized the beloved Patriot Act in 2005.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/...t-in-2005-but-quickly-signed-it-as-president/
Then what does he do? He signs provisions to extend from the Patriot Act into the newly labelled "FREEDOM ACT".
If this doesn't prove to you that the governments, namely, politicians are puppets, then you are truly naive or stupid.
No sense in debating anymore.
Had Obama not signed any of these provisions, then you'd have a great point to debate, but nobody can.
The political system is a joke and there are things behind closed doors you'll NEVER ever heard about in your lifetime, maybe your grandchildren will hear of these stories, that's assuming they weren't swallowed or ended up on some girls chest.
The above written up by Sal, NAILS IT!!
If someone could refute point for point I'd be impressed, but don't forget, the points he brings up are factual.
ie - Funding for 9/11 given $15 million.
Funding for Clinton getting his dick sucked $60 million
American priorities really "straight" so to speak.
Great fucking job with that post/summation Sal.
