Blue Jays: 2015 edition

[yogi1]

Jays now 1.5 games from wildcard spot

But personally I feel we want a real post season spot!

 

[Dawgger]

But personally I feel we want a real post season spot!

agreed........that wild card too easy to be 1 and done, need to win the division!

 

[Insidious Von]

Scott Copeland doesn't look like the type of pitcher that would be effective from the bullpen. The Jays need to find a way to get him into the rotation, that's what their post season hopes will depend on.

 

[Dawgger]

Scott Copeland doesn't look like the type of pitcher that would be effective from the bullpen. The Jays need to find a way to get him into the rotation, that's what their post season hopes will depend on.

while he pitched a great game for the jays, and has done well in AAA, I think it is too early to believe that the Jays post season hopes depend on him. Once he has had a few more major league starts. we will see if the hitters have figured him out and if so can he adjust? He sure looked good against the Marlins and I look forward to his next big league start.

 

[busterhut]

My posts are accurate. EE was playing with an injury, thats why he sucked the last month or so. But once he's healed up I hope he can carry the team.

And WTF, we go on a 7-game winning streak and those hated Yankees go on one as well.


*sigh*

Actually I think you said you thought that the Jays were thinking of releasing him. Your posts ARE accurate, they just aren't intelligent.

 

[AK-47]

Actually I think you said you thought that the Jays were thinking of releasing him. Your posts ARE accurate, they just aren't intelligent

No, I said trade him for a starting pitcher while he's still "young". Speaking of intelligence, reading comprehension is very important. Try reading better:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...2015-edition&p=5251009&viewfull=1#post5251009

How about we trade Encarnacion or Bautista for a quality starting pitcher??

Or heck, maybe trade both of them??

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Also oagre, you seem to think EE has a good attitude. Then why did Gibby have to bench him for not running out a groundball??

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/18/blue-jays-built-to-win-in-future-not-now

When he quietly benched Edwin Encarnacion for a game recently in Houston for not running out a ground ball, the reaction among some in the clubhouse was: “What did Edwin do?”

 

[Dawgger]

No, I said trade him for a starting pitcher while he's still "young". Speaking of intelligence, reading comprehension is very important. Try reading better.

Also oagre, you seem to think EE has a good attitude. Then why did Gibby have to bench him for not running out a groundball??

If he is as bad as you have indicated what would you get for him????
Are you sure he was benched or was he removed from the line up because he was sore/hurt?

A lot of your posts appear to be made before you have the facts, after which you scramble to cover your butt!

 

[AK-47]

If he is as bad as you have indicated what would you get for him????

It would have to be a good, quality starting pitcher.

I dont understand why some of you take this so personal, its almost as if I've insulted your firstborn child by suggesting we should trade him. Remember we also traded McGriff/Fernandez in the 90's, and that worked out very well

Are you sure he was benched or was he removed from the line up because he was sore/hurt?

Of course we'll never know for sure, but I've seen EE not hustle on groundballs, and according to The Sun thats why he was benched. Even if he wasnt benched for that reason, EE has been known to not run out groundballs 100%. Thats a fact, I see it with my own eyes

A lot of your posts appear to be made before you have the facts, after which you scramble to cover your butt!

Simply not true. I've backed up everything I said.

Again, not sure why some of you seem so butthurt about a potential EE trade for a quality pitcher. Baseball is a business, sometimes you have to make blockbuster trades.

Let me ask you, Dawgger. Why would you NOT trade Encarnacion??

 

[Insidious Von]

while he pitched a great game for the jays, and has done well in AAA, I think it is too early to believe that the Jays post season hopes depend on him. Once he has had a few more major league starts. we will see if the hitters have figured him out and if so can he adjust? He sure looked good against the Marlins and I look forward to his next big league start.

Maybe.

But I saw him spot his curveball to perfection. A pitcher that can do that should be in the Majors.

 

[mandrill]

Jays pursue Papelbon with Phillies.

http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2015/6/10/8763217/blue-jays-and-phillies-talking-papelbon-trade

 

[Dawgger]

It would have to be a good, quality starting pitcher.

I dont understand why some of you take this so personal, its almost as if I've insulted your firstborn child by suggesting we should trade him. Remember we also traded McGriff/Fernandez in the 90's, and that worked out very well
I don't take it personally and I hope you won't take this personally either. A lot of your posts just don't make a lot of sense thus members continue to call you out. I am not the only one!


Of course we'll never know for sure, but I've seen EE not hustle on groundballs, and according to The Sun thats why he was benched. Even if he wasnt benched for that reason, EE has been known to not run out groundballs 100%. Thats a fact, I see it with my own eyes
I agree I have seen him jog to first but I have also seen many other major leaguers do the same. I do not know if he was benched because of lack of effort or not. I would not say it without hearing it from the manager or the player. I have little respect for the thoughts of Toronto sports reporters and thus would be reluctant to quote one. If he was benched for that reason, we are going to see a lot of others benched before the season is over.


Simply not true. I've backed up everything I said.

Again, not sure why some of you seem so butthurt about a potential EE trade for a quality pitcher. Baseball is a business, sometimes you have to make blockbuster trades.

I would be reluctant to trade EE as his bat when he's healthy, is a big part of their offence and he protects other players. It is difficult to pitch around Bautista to get to a healthy EE. Now if some one wanted to give the Jays a genuine healthy, and not overpaid No1 or 2 starter for him, I think it may very well worth considering!

I still don't understand you go from releasing him to trading him for a starter????

 

[Perry Mason]

Does anyone know what's happening with Santana? I have not been able to find any info myself...

If Santana can pitch, if Papelbon becomes a BJ, if Saunders contributes when he comes back and if Travis can continue doing what he was doing before he went on the DL, then I think the BJ's will go a long way this year... and that is not merely wishful thinking but something well within the realms of probability.

I think right now they are showing what they are capable of doing; my frustration with them has always been their inconsistency and under performing... they obviously have the talent!

I wonder if Phillies would take Dickey for Papelbon, even up! :biggrin1:

Perry

 

[AK-47]

I don't take it personally and I hope you won't take this personally either. A lot of your posts just don't make a lot of sense thus members continue to call you out. I am not the only one!

Okay, but if Terb existed in 1990's and I had asked to trade McGriff/Fernandez you guys would probably have gotten on my case as well

I agree I have seen him jog to first but I have also seen many other major leaguers do the same

A player of his stature should always run out groundballs. No excuses

I would be reluctant to trade EE as his bat when he's healthy, is a big part of their offence and he protects other players. It is difficult to pitch around Bautista to get to a healthy EE. Now if some one wanted to give the Jays a genuine healthy, and not overpaid No1 or 2 starter for him, I think it may very well worth considering!

Now you see, we actually agree on something. I think if the right pitcher came along I would make that trade, especially now that we have Smoak and Cola hitting well

I still don't understand you go from releasing him to trading him for a starter????

I said I wanted to trade him, not put him on waivers or anything like that. If I typed the word "release" then I made a mistake, I meant get rid of him through some type of trade

 

[Dawgger]

Does anyone know what's happening with Santana? I have not been able to find any info myself...

If Santana can pitch, if Papelbon becomes a BJ, if Saunders contributes when he comes back and if Travis can continue doing what he was doing before he went on the DL, then I think the BJ's will go a long way this year... and that is not merely wishful thinking but something well within the realms of probability.

I think right now they are showing what they are capable of doing; my frustration with them has always been their inconsistency and under performing... they obviously have the talent!

I wonder if Phillies would take Dickey for Papelbon, even up! :biggrin1:

Perry

I too would like to know Santana's status. He does(did) show on the Bison's roster but on the 7 day DL. Can't find any info anywhere.

I don't know if I like that trade. Dickey really hasn't been horrible,(this year) he needs run support.
Has to be another guy out there that doesn't have a mega contract that can help. Lately bullpen isn't as scary probably because they are rested and usually have 'safe leads.'

 

[Dawgger]

Okay, but if Terb existed in 1990's and I had asked to trade McGriff/Fernandez you guys would probably have gotten on my case as well
Yes you would have, it was controversial but got the Jays 2 rings. My guess is it would have been a great thread!


A player of his stature should always run out groundballs. No excuses


Now you see, we actually agree on something. I think if the right pitcher came along I would make that trade, especially now that we have Smoak and Cola hitting well


I said I wanted to trade him, not put him on waivers or anything like that. If I typed the word "release" then I made a mistake, I meant get rid of him through some type of trade

OK I can accept that, wouldn't be the first time some one has typed one thing and meant another.

I believe you are a passionate fan that sometime may over react to situation(s)! Been there, done that!:frusty:

 

[Perry Mason]

^^^^^^^^^^

Also, an AK-47 is supposed to be a precision rifle not a scatter gun...

Perry

 

[smitherz]

Johan Santana is going through the Velocity Plus program using the weighted balls. He could've opted out of his minor league contract at the end of April, but stayed with the Jays. The Jays employ the guy who invented the program.
Don't think he's even thrown off a mound yet.

We have 2 vets in AAA who are pitching very well, Randy Wolf and Felix Doubront. Both are healthy and better options than Johan at this point.

In other minor league news Dalton Pompey was recently demoted down to AA , he was barely hitting his weight in AAA.
And DJ Davis, the speedy outfielder the Jays drafted ahead of Stroman in 2012, had an 8 rbi game the other day. He's starting to look real good.

 

[AK-47]

Hutch starts tomorrow.

Unfortunately he has a poor record this year vs. Sox, giving up 7 runs in 9 innings

 

[AK-47]

Rumor has it Jays wanna trade for Papelborn. I'd be very happy with trading Encarnacion for a closer instead of a starting pitcher. In fact a closer might be more of a priority than a starter right now. My only concern is he's 34 yrs old.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...for-jonathan-papelbon-some-pros-and-cons.html

Should Blue Jays trade for Jonathan Papelbon?

The Blue Jays are reportedly still in the running to acquire Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon. The Yankees just lost closer Andrew Miller to injury, so the Jays have a prime opportunity to take a run at the division title by taking care of a big need. The current buzz is that Philadelphia is both ready to move Papelbon and willing to eat more of his salary than at any other time. Papelbon began his MLB career in 2005 with Boston, winning one World Series with the Red Sox before leaving in 2011 to sign with the Phillies. A look at the pros and cons of acquiring Papelbon, who has said he’d be open to a move to Toronto:


PROS

Help wanted: Toronto’s bullpen ranks 12th in the American League with a 3.70 ERA and has blown 10 save opportunities, tops in the league.

Stability: Papelbon could take over the closer role, with Brett Cecil moving back to the eighth inning. That sets up a trio of Roberto Osuna, Aaron Loup and Liam Hendricks for handling bridge duties between the sixth and seventh innings, as well as the eighth when Cecil isn’t available. That’s a more ideal setup for a Jays ’pen that is not structured at the moment.

Impressive numbers: One of the top closers of all-time, Papelbon ranks 13th with 337 saves and is 15 away from top 10. He has saved 219 games the past seven seasons.

Still hot: He has 12 saves this season with an exceptional 1.13 ERA over 23 innings.

At Rogers Centre: He’s worked 19 2/3 innings with 16 strikeouts, 10 walks, 10 saves, 14 hits and four runs against.


CONS

Salary: Papelbon is owed a pro-rated $8 million for this season, and $13 million in 2016 on a vested option that kicks in if he finishes 26 more games this year.

Who pays? It’s been long believed a Jays deal hinges on how much of Papelbon’s salary the Phillies are willing to pay. Toronto is believed to have roughly $5 million remaining in payroll space, and it’s not likely owner Rogers will approve any more at the moment.

Who goes the other way? Lefty prospect Daniel Norris? Not likely, since the Jays steer clear of parting with top-shelf prospects unless it’s for elite players with controllable contracts. Papelbon is 34 and would be a final piece to a contender. While the Jays have ignited renewed faith in their post-season viability after an eight-game win streak, it’s somewhat difficult to see them exhausting all their trade possibilities in favour of one, big-dollar deal for Papelbon

 

[Ironhead]

Rumor has it Jays wanna trade for Papelborn. I'd be very happy with trading Encarnacion for a closer instead of a starting pitcher. In fact a closer might be more of a priority than a starter right now. My only concern is he's 34 yrs old.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluej...for-jonathan-papelbon-some-pros-and-cons.html

I would like to see Papelbon come over as well but I can tell you one thing for sure, Phillies have zero interest in Encarnacion.
They will want youth. I am prepared for that, as long as the Jays do not over pay I say do it. Also none of our top three pitching prospects should be moved for Papelbon.