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I checked a few posts and it does look like you didn't accuse me of lying, as fuji has repeatedly and Basketcase has as well. ....
Because you are lying. Your first post may have been based on erroneous information but you are now fully aware of exactly what Netanyahu has said yet still focus your ire on him and say nothing about Hamas.
 

Frankfooter

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Exactly. He has seen the correct translation and read Netanyahu's extended discussion yet he still paidqq
I have used three independent sources for my quotes.
I stand by them, you have used only one report which was probably biased.


But at least you are backing down on your claim that I lied, that is a start.

I'm sure that at this rate it will only take another dozen pages or so for you to apologize for accusing me of lying.
 

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I stand by them, you have used only one report which was probably biased.
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So now you're crying and lying. We all know what was said. You really have some kind of issue if you can't admit it. Either you are insanely stubborn and sticking to your original erroneous story or you are so deeply inspired by hatred of Israel.

Considering you will not discuss major Palestinians factions that promote destruction rather than peace yet have spent 200 posts criticizing what you think Netanyahu said makes me lean towards the later.
 

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Because you are lying. Your first post may have been based on erroneous information but you are now fully aware of exactly what Netanyahu has said yet still focus your ire on him and say nothing about Hamas.
Your accusation is pure garbage.
Go back through this thread and prove that the three independent sources I provided all were wrong or eat your words and apologize.
The links are there in this thread, if you can't prove they are wrong or I lied about them I fully expect an apology.

Prove your accusation or apologize.
I challenge you.
 

basketcase

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Your accusation is pure garbage.
Go back through this thread and prove that the three independent sources I provided all were wrong or eat your words and apologize.
The links are there in this thread, if you can't prove they are wrong or I lied about them I fully expect an apology.

Prove your accusation or apologize.
I challenge you.
I challenge you to actually discuss the impact of Hamas and Fatah's armed wing on the possibility of peace.

And the sources aren't wrong, they're incomplete. There is a complete quote and perhaps you can prove that it is wrong. You made the claim it is biased based on nothing other than it disagrees with you so that's an intentional lie on your part.

Also on your list of lies is your claim that you are only here for an apology. You were going on for pages in this thread before fuji said you lied so obviously that is not your interest.

Actually looking at the articles from NYT, Ha'aretz, and MSNBC shows that none of them have a direct quote from Netanyahu saying he won't allow a two state peace. Ha'aretz does have the direct quote about Hamas and Islamist being an obstacle to peace though.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/24/w...es-for-comments-about-israeli-arabs.html?_r=1
http://www.msnbc.com/all/obama-holds-netanyahu-pre-election-promise

Seems you're lying about that too.
 

Frankfooter

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And the sources aren't wrong, they're incomplete. There is a complete quote and perhaps you can prove that it is wrong. You made the claim it is biased based on nothing other than it disagrees with you so that's an intentional lie on your part.

Also on your list of lies is your claim that you are only here for an apology. You were going on for pages in this thread before fuji said you lied so obviously that is not your interest.
You just accused me of lying again.
Here is the same quote at CBC.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/benjam...nian-state-if-he-remains-israeli-pm-1.2996413

That is the most respected news site we have in this country.
You owe me an apology for accusing me of lying by using a CBC backed quote.
Prove you have some shred of honesty and apologize.
 

Frankfooter

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Do you even know what a quote is? Some reporter's commentary isn't a quote. A quote is enclosed in the little " signs and contain the actual wording.

And it isn't a cbc article. It is an AP article that the cbc picked up.
Do you mean like this part of the article?
"Whoever ignores that is burying his head in the sand. The left is doing that, burying its head in the sand time after time," he said in the video interview.

When asked if that means a Palestinian state will not be established if he is elected, Netanyahu replied, "Indeed."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/benjam...nian-state-if-he-remains-israeli-pm-1.2996413

Are you accusing CBC and AP as well as me of lying or are you ready to apologize yet?
You are looking just as bad as fuji through all of this.
 

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In contrast, here is the direct quote from the NYT on the statement.

“I think that anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state today and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds to the radical Islam against the state of Israel,”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/17/w...netanyahu-campaign-settlement.html?ref=topics

So are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to continue lying?

Maybe the NYT is also a biased source.
 

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Do you mean like this part of the article?
"Whoever ignores that is burying his head in the sand. The left is doing that, burying its head in the sand time after time," he said in the video interview.
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Yes. That is a direct quote. Now where in that direct quote does he say Israel will never allow a two state peace? I can show you lots of articles where Hamas says they won't stop until Israel is destroyed though.
 

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Yes. That is a direct quote. Now where in that direct quote does he say Israel will never allow a two state peace? I can show you lots of articles where Hamas says they won't stop until Israel is destroyed though.
That is the quote that you accused me of lying about, the exact same quote I posted.
So answer the question.
Do you still claim that I lied by using the quote that CBC and AP used?
Are you accusing me, CBC and AP of lying?

Its time for you to apologize for accusing me of lying.
 

basketcase

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That is the quote that you accused me of lying about, the exact same quote I posted.
So answer the question.
Do you still claim that I lied by using the quote that CBC and AP used?
Are you accusing me, CBC and AP of lying?

Its time for you to apologize for accusing me of lying.
Where in that direct quote does Netanyahu say Israel will never allow a two state peace? If you think it does you have issues.


You lied in your first post in the forum saying you wouldn't post more here. You lied when you said you were only here for an apology (after making 100 or so posts here before being called a liar). You lied when you said that quotes that include the word "today" were biased (which now includes the NYT).
 

Frankfooter

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Where in that direct quote does Netanyahu say Israel will never allow a two state peace? If you think it does you have issues.
You are trying to change the subject.
This is the same quote I used to base my claims, the same quote that you accused me of lying about.

So answer the question.
Do you still claim that I lied by using the quote that CBC and AP used?
Are you accusing me, CBC and AP of lying?
 

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You are trying to change the subject.
This is the same quote I used to base my claims, the same quote that you accused me of lying about.

So answer the question.
Do you still claim that I lied by using the quote that CBC and AP used?
Are you accusing me, CBC and AP of lying?
Do you now agree that Netanyahu supports a Palestinian state?
 

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Do you apologize for calling me a liar?
Nope, you are a blatant liar. You continue to lie and say that Netanyahu opposes a Palestinian state. He clearly supports one and is the only politician actually discussing the problems that make one impossible right now.
 

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Obviously a Palestinian state cannot be established while Hamas exists. If in future Hamas does not exist then certainly he supports a Palestinian state, and today he can work towards that goal.
 

Frankfooter

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Obviously a Palestinian state cannot be established while Hamas exists. If in future Hamas does not exist then certainly he supports a Palestinian state, and today he can work towards that goal.
As Obama stated:
"Afterwards, he (Netanyahu) pointed out that he didn't say 'never,' but that there would be a series of conditions in which a Palestinian state could potentially be created," Obama said. "But, of course, the conditions were such that they would be impossible to meet any time soon."

You are also adding conditions that make it impossible to establish a two state solution, just as Netanyahu does.
That is not supporting the two state solution.
 
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