Here is what Netanyahu indisputably believes:
"I never retracted my speech in Bar Illan University 6 years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state. What has changed is the reality. Abu Mazen the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state, has made a pact with Hamas, that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so can realize a vision of real sustained peace. I don’t want a one state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful, two state solution but for that circumstances have to change.
First of all that state would become a terror state. Iran has said that it would the arm the West Bank the way it armed Gaza. We withdrew from Gaza. We got, just a few months ago – not ancient history but a few months ago – thousands of rockets, Andrea, on our heads … we don’t want it to happen again."
From post 862:And you accused me of saying this:
" And you did assert that Netanyahu said he would "never" support a two-state solution "
That's not what I said, I said that Netanyahu was elected on a promise to not allow a Palestinian state while he was PM.
There was no mention of it just being 'current', no time frame at all, just a promise to never allow a Palestinian state.
Quote one is about 'supporting' a Palestinian state while quote two is about never 'allowing' a Palestinian state while he was leader.From post 862:
In post 862, you said there was "no time frame at all."...quote two is about never 'allowing' a Palestinian state while he was leader.
This is from fuji's article.In post 862, you said there was "no time frame at all."
How does that translate into "while he was leader"? :frusty:
Can your "logic" account for these two contradictory statements both being true?Quote one is about 'supporting' a Palestinian state while quote two is about never 'allowing' a Palestinian state while he was leader.
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What is confirmed is that he supports a Palestinian state. Nobody said you have to agree with his position but you can't tell lies about it.Now you are just posting justifications for Netanyahu's promise to not allow a Palestinian state while elected leader of Israel.
I'll take it to mean that you are finally admitting that even though Netanyahu may have some pie in the sky goal of a totally neutered Palestinian state, since he can't ever get that he won't allow any Palestinian state to exist at all, confirming my point.
Thank you.
That same Washington Post article you keep citing also quoted Netanyahu as saying he was talking about the situation "today." That means he was talking about his position in the current circumstances, not what might occur down the road.This is from fuji's article.
"Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”"
There is no time frame in that quote, Netanyahu says if he was elected leader he would not allow a Palestinian state to be created.
As I've said all along.
fuji's argument is that in some time in the future, previously he said 20-30 years then deleted the post, Netanyahu might support a two state solution (a time when fuji also claims he would be out of power so his whole argument is pointless).
I'm just repeating what Netanyahu stated, that if elected he wouldn't allow a Palestinian state.
Now will you apologize for accusing me of lying?
No, he doesn't.What is confirmed is that he supports a Palestinian state.
The word 'today' wasn't in his statement about not allowing a Palestinian state while he was in power. That is what fuji added.That same Washington Post article you keep citing also quoted Netanyahu as saying he was talking about the situation "today." That means he was talking about his position in the current circumstances, not what might occur down the road.
Furthermore, your accusation that Fuji "added" the word "today" to Netanyahu's quotes has also been proven false.
If it makes you feel better, I don't actually think you're a liar. I'm more inclined to think you're ill-informed and that your opinions are not supported by any critical thinking.
Nonsense. This is the quote provided by Fuji where you claimed (in post 889) that the word "today" was added by Fuji:The word 'today' wasn't in his statement about not allowing a Palestinian state while he was in power. That is what fuji added.
Nonsense. This is the quote provided by Fuji where you claimed (in post 889) that the word "today" was added by Fuji:
"'I think that anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state today and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds to the radical Islam against the state of Israel,' he said in a video interview published Monday on the NRG site."
In fact, the quote was in the original article. See paragraph four.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...4468e8-cbdc-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html
Your accusation was false. It has been proven to have been false.
Assuming you never actually read the Washington Post article, it's possible you didn't know the accusation was false when you originally posted it. But you certainly know it now.
If you're going to continue with false accusations after they have been proven false, you have no right to get upset when people call you a liar.
Here's the full quote:If you're going to accuse someone of lying, get your fact straight.
The word "today" is in the first sentence. There is nothing in the follow-up question or response that indicates the time frame has changed.“I think that anyone who is going to establish a Palestinian state today and evacuate lands is giving attack grounds to the radical Islam against the state of Israel,” he said in a video interview published Monday on the NRG site.
“Anyone who ignores this is sticking his head in the sand. The left does this time and time again,” Netanyahu said. “We are realistic and understand.”
Netanyahu was then asked specifically whether he meant that a Palestinian state would not be established if he were reelected prime minister. He answered, “Correct.”
Again, that's a translation issue and its not relevant to the second statement.Here's the full quote:
The word "today" is in the first sentence. There is nothing in the follow-up question or response that indicates the time frame has changed.
The interview was about whether or not a Palestinian state should be established "today."
He said today. His "correct" confirmed he wouldn't allow one while he was PM, which is clearly what Obama understood. If there were any doubt remaining he gave a thorough answer confirming EXPLICITLY that he wants a Palestinian state.Again, that's a translation issue and its not relevant to the second statement.
No, that is exactly what I've been saying.He said today. His "correct" confirmed he wouldn't allow one while he was PM, which is clearly what Obama understood.
You are a fucking liar.
No. His condition is that Hamas needs to be gone. He had said that.Netanyahu was elected on a promise to not allow a Palestinian state when he was elected PM for as long as he was PM and able to do anything about it.
Why are you calling me a liar for saying what you've already agreed with?
Just apologize.
Not relevant? So, the issue of whether or not Netanyahu believes the Palestinians should be allowed to have their own state is "not relevant" to the question about whether a Palestinian state would be established.Again, that's a translation issue and its not relevant to the second statement.
He didn't state that condition when he made his pre-election promise to never allow a Palestinian state while he was PM.No. His condition is that Hamas needs to be gone. He had said that.
Yes he did and I quoted it. He spoke about the impossiblity of a Palestinian state while Hamas existed and while the PLO refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Those statements are explicitly in his speech and he has said the same things MANY times.He didn't state that condition when he made his pre-election promise to never allow a Palestinian state while he was PM.
