They are not in the same area. Arabs and Jews alike inside the wall vote. The areas inside the wall is defacto annexed by Israel, whether you think that annexation is legal or not, it is a different area then the territory outside the wall.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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There is nothing in international law that places any time limit on an occupation.It's under Israeli control. A military occupation is temporary but when it becomes permanent, the territory becomes part of Israel
He has not said that, you are lying.especially when the leader of the governement declares that he won't allow to end the occupation.
That applies only to the land inside the security wall, not to area A or area B.Also under international laws a military occupier isn't allowed to settle civilian population, so clearly it isn't just a military occupation but everything Israel is doing there is to make this territory part of Israel.
Yes, that the lands continue to be occupied lands.
The key point here -- the one that GoWest was trying to avoid -- is that the Palestinians themselves don't accept the premise that the lands are part of the state of Israel.
Furthermore, Israel hasn't done anything to suggest the lands are part of the state of Israel. As GoWest points out, the Palestinians in the area can't vote in Israel's national elections.
The assertion that the lands are part of the state of Israel is completely baseless. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians -- nor the UN or anyone else, for that matter -- believes that is the case.
That argument doesn't hold water when you look at the 'facts on the ground' as Netanyahu calls them.
Israel has settled the occupied lands and will never leave.
They have effectively ended the two state solution and Netanyahu's election promise only confirms what his actions spoke against what he said in polite society.
No, area A isn't settled.That argument doesn't hold water when you look at the 'facts on the ground' as Netanyahu calls them.
Israel has settled the occupied lands and will never leave.
They have effectively ended the two state solution and Netanyahu's election promise only confirms what his actions spoke against what he said in polite society.
That's only 18% of Palestine.No, area A isn't settled.
You just confirmed that Israel and Netanyahu have effectively killed the two state solution.
In fact the security wall encloses less than ten percent of the west bank. The size of area A within the remaining 90% of the territory changes and is determined by the success of the Palestinians in establishing law and order. As confidence builds that are given more.That's only 18% of Palestine.
You just confirmed that Israel and Netanyahu have effectively killed the two state solution.
But as you said, only 18% hasn't been settled and claimed by Israel.In fact the security wall encloses less than ten percent of the west bank. The size of area A within the remaining 90% of the territory changes and is determined by the success of the Palestinians in establishing law and order. As confidence builds that are given more.
I said Area A hasn't been settled, I never said only 18% hasn't been settled.But as you said, only 18% hasn't been settled and claimed by Israel.
Fact: Only 9.4% has been settled and enclosed by the wall.
No one has said it is permanent except you. You have tried lying about what Netanyahu said, but the fact is even he wants to set it become an independent state one day.Yes but not the case when it becomes permanent, a military occupation by definition is temporary.
No matter how many times you repeat this lie it will never become true.area A represents the bantustans
No, you said only Area A hasn't been settled.I said Area A hasn't been settled.
That's 18% of Palestine.
Good luck with that two state solution you think might happen.
God you are seriously mentally disabled, and you are a mindless troll if you think playing word games with me counts as debating.No, you said only Area A hasn't been settled.
That's 18% of Palestine.
Good luck with that two state solution you think might happen.
I said there were no settlements in area A. I said nothing about area B having them or not having them and I sure as hell didn't say area A was the only territory without them.
It is a fact, whether you like it or not, and no matter how many pathetic clown games you play, that only 9.4% of the West Bank hs been enclosed by the security wall. The other 90.6% is available for a Palestinian state, although only Area A has so far been delegated to the PA.
The Palestinians clearly don't want to be Israeli. Why do you think you are able to force them to join a state they don't want to be in?1- Jordan and Egypt don't want those territories, why do you think that Israel is able to force them to take territories they don't want.
I do agree that Jordan doesn't want the West Bank any more. Ever since Black September and Jordan's war against the PLO they have no interest (besides that Jordan's rulers don't want more people opposed to their rule). The peace treaty between Israel and Jordan ceded responsibility for it to Israel to be held until a Palestinian state is negotiated.
Back to that shit again? Many countries allow absentee ballot for citizens. I believe Italy even has members of parliaments elected to represent absentees. Settlers can vote because they are Israeli citizens, not because of where they live.This is an argument that proves that Israel isn't a democracy because the jewish settlers living in west bank can vote but palestinians living there cannot.
Similar to south african apartheid where Blacks weren't allowed to vote
Is Northern Cyprus a part of Turkey? It's been under Turkish military occupation since 1974.It's under Israeli control. A military occupation is temporary....
I agree. Israel has never given up land in exchange for peace (or in the case of Gaza the hope for peace).That argument doesn't hold water when you look at the 'facts on the ground' as Netanyahu calls them.
Israel has settled the occupied lands and will never leave.
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Oh wait. That's the opposite of reality.
And your comment on Hamas' impact on any peace deal? Oh wait, that would distract from your ranting....
They have effectively ended the two state solution and Netanyahu's election promise only confirms what his actions spoke against what he said in polite society.
Are you now claiming that there are no settlements in areas B and C, or are you sticking with your original claim that only Area A has no settlements?God you are seriously mentally disabled, and you are a mindless troll if you think playing word games with me counts as debating.
I said there were no settlements in area A. I said nothing about area B having them or not having them and I sure as hell didn't say area A was the only territory without them.
It is a fact, whether you like it or not, and no matter how many pathetic clown games you play, that only 9.4% of the West Bank hs been enclosed by the security wall. The other 90.6% is available for a Palestinian state, although only Area A has so far been delegated to the PA.
You really are ridiculous.
Have you ever looked at a map of where settlements are? Or even better, have you looked at the maps from Olmert's proposal to Abbas? I'll help you out.That's only 18% of Palestine.
You just confirmed that Israel and Netanyahu have effectively killed the two state solution.
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I'm telling you that the security wall, enclosing the only area you could possibly claim has been defacto annexed, encloses less than ten percent of the west bank.Are you now claiming that there are no settlements in areas B and C, or are you sticking with your original claim that only Area A has no settlements?
You really are ridiculous.
Area A and area B both have no settlements and the wall containing the settlements encloses only one sixth of area C.
