Again back to forcing the Palestinians into something they hate more than a two state solution.
Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?
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Actually, his position was that a two-state solution isn't achievable until the Palestinians get past their Jew-hatred. Regrettably, that seems unlikely in the foreseeable future.No Israel's position according to the prime minister that there will be no Palestinian state, period.
In fact, the point is that your assertions that Israel has "denied" statehood to the Palestinians were unequivocally false. The Palestinians were offered their own state on three occasions.MovieFan the point isn't who rejecting a state whether it's Israel or palestinians or both.
Yes they did withdraw. Clearly since Israel has a blockade in place Israel continues to have a duty to ensure the flow of humanitarian supplies to the population, which is why it is still technically an occupation.Israel didn't withdraw from Gaza, they kept it under siege. jail guards don't need to be inside the prison , all they need is to watch the walls.
But it is also true that Israel has entirely withdrawn from the territory and that all internal security functions are now under Hamas defacto jurisdiction.
You would just be blatantly lying if you said Israel had any meaningful ability to police Gaza.
You are committing the fallacy of the excluded middle, falsely assuming the only alternatives are one state or two, and ignoring the many other options.Bravo. Israel rejects a state for palestinians and according to MovieFan Palestinians are also rejecting a state. So one state solution is the way to go, Israel should give them citizenship and the right to vote if they don't want to give them a state.
There are many better alternatives that do not involve the mass violence that would entail, such as putting the west bank under UN administration, or even Hamas administration. Alternately merging them with Jordan and Egypt.
It is totally illogical to argue that is the Palestinians don't have a state they are part of Israel. That doesn't follow logically at all.
The official position of Israel is that the Palestinian Authority is negotiating the creation of that state with Israel.While the UN and most of the world recognizes Palestine as a state under Israeli occupation, Israel doesn't.
Liar, he never said that. Blatant lying. You are completely dishonest and your whole worldview is based on obvious and blatant lies.No Israel's position according to the prime minister that there will be no Palestinian state, period.
He said he doesn't support a two state solution under CURRENT CONDITIONS, not never. You have been lying about this for weeks. You are a pathetic liar.
Yes he did.Liar, he never said that. Blatant lying. You are completely dishonest and your whole worldview is based on obvious and blatant lies.
He said he doesn't support a two state solution under CURRENT CONDITIONS, not never. You have been lying about this for weeks. You are a pathetic liar.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212
I know people take strong arguments on this issue, but calling people liars is really too much.
I have no qualms calling a liar a liar, and GoWest is lying. Netanyahu NEVER said he was against a two state solution nor did he say there would never be one. He said it shouldn't happen under current circumstances and that he would block the current effort.Yes he did.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212
I know people take strong arguments on this issue, but calling people liars is really too much.
HE DID NOT SAY ONE WOULD NEVER BE CREATED and in fact he said this:
"I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution.
I haven’t changed my policy, I never retracted my speech at Bar-Ilan University six years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes a Jewish state.
What has changed is the reality the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state and has made a pact with Hamas that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so that we can realize a vision of real, sustained peace. I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution, but for that, circumstances have to change.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-backs-away-from-rejection-of-two-state-solution/
I have posted the above to GoWest multiple times so he KNOWS he is lying. Lets see if you adjust your position to the actual facts or whether you continue spouting this falsehood as well.
Conspicuous silence from GoWest and frank....I have no qualms calling a liar a liar, and GoWest is lying. Netanyahu NEVER said he was against a two state solution nor did he say there would never be one. He said it shouldn't happen under current circumstances and that he would block the current effort.
HE DID NOT SAY ONE WOULD NEVER BE CREATED and in fact he said this:
"I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution.
I haven’t changed my policy, I never retracted my speech at Bar-Ilan University six years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes a Jewish state.
What has changed is the reality the Palestinian leader refuses to recognize the Jewish state and has made a pact with Hamas that calls for the destruction of the Jewish state, and every territory that is vacated today in the Middle East is taken up by Islamist forces. We want that to change so that we can realize a vision of real, sustained peace. I don’t want a one-state solution. I want a sustainable, peaceful two-state solution, but for that, circumstances have to change.”
http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-backs-away-from-rejection-of-two-state-solution/
I have posted the above to GoWest multiple times so he KNOWS he is lying. Lets see if you adjust your position to the actual facts or whether you continue spouting this falsehood as well.
Really?I have no qualms calling a liar a liar, and GoWest is lying. Netanyahu NEVER said he was against a two state solution.
I've seen people lie before, but on this level its really quite ridiculous.
This is what the article I linked said:
"Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state"
Post election he tried to soften this stance, but the US and the world take him at his word.
Are you saying he lied then, or that he's lying now?
Why didn't you quote his whole speech in context rather than taking this snippet of a sentence? Oh... that wouldn't serve your lying agenda, would it? Because it would have become clear he is talking only about the present situation (the next four years at least) and not the long term. What makes GoWest a liar is that he claims Netanyahu had said there would never or should never be a Palestinian state, which is not AT ALL what he actually said. He just said there won't be one NOW.Really?
I've seen people lie before, but on this level its really quite ridiculous.
This is what the article I linked said:
"Netanyahu: If I'm elected, there will be no Palestinian state"
Or better yet, you could be reasonable and accept his clarification. Wouldn't you agree that he speaks more authoritatively as the elected leader than as a mere candidate anyway? If you are vesting him with special powers shouldn't they attach to the office? Of course the Israeli PM doesn't even have such power. His opinion is irrelevant until the Knesset votes on it.
But then this silly argument that you have that Netanyahu has unilaterally and single handedly used dictatorial power to decree that there can never be a Palestinian state until the end of time just doesn't work.
You and GoWest are dishonest clowns who rely on lies and misrepresentations to pretend to have points when all you are really doing is hating Jews.
Netanyahu had said there would never or should never be a Palestinian state, which is not AT ALL what he actually said. He just said there won't be one NOW.
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You and GoWest are dishonest clowns who rely on lies and misrepresentations to pretend to have points when all you are really doing is hating Jews.
Now this is really quite offensive.
First, you admit that Netanyahu said he wouldn't allow a Palestinian state under his watch and then you accuse me of 'hating Jews' for posting this quote?
Its one thing to spout racist views about Palestinians and Black people all over this board, but when you start accusing me of racism for merely quoting the leader of Israel I have to draw the line.
You should apologize.
Clearly what you want to do is demonize the Jewish state, why else would you lie about what Netanyahu said? Your thorough dishonesty reveals that you do not base your opinions on facts.
Can you explain your lying?
Why have you claimed Netanyahu had said there will never be a Palestinian state when he has clearly NOT said that? In fact, he has said he hopes there will be one.
Can you explain your lying?
Why have you claimed Netanyahu had said there will never be a Palestinian state when he has clearly NOT said that? In fact, he has said he hopes there will be one.
Clearly what you want to do is demonize the Jewish state, why else would you lie about what Netanyahu said? Your thorough dishonesty reveals that you do not base your opinions on facts.
Can you explain your lying?
Why have you claimed Netanyahu had said there will never be a Palestinian state when he has clearly NOT said that? In fact, he has said he hopes there will be one.
I'm only "demonizing" Netanyahu, and those elected officials who are against the two state solution.
I have no idea why you support them.
As for this lying claim, you really should just apologize.
Netanyahu made an election pledge to never allow a Palestinian state under his watch. It was that and his 'warning' that Israeli Arabs would have the gall to vote that put him back in power. The US doesn't believe his half hearted recanting, and neither should any reasonable person.
As Obama said:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu in the election runup stated that a Palestinian state would not occur when he's Prime Minister, and I took him at his word that that's what he meant and I think a lot of voters inside Israel understood him to be saying that fairly unequivocally," said Obama.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-i-dont-think-netanyahu-believes-in-a-two-state-solution-2015-3
Are you now calling Obama, Netanyahu and me liars?
Just apologize and and admit you are wrong.
Again with the blatant lie. This statement by Obama is correct:I'm only "demonizing" Netanyahu, and those elected officials who are against the two state solution.
You and GoWest are lying.As Obama said:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu in the election runup stated that a Palestinian state would not occur when he's Prime Minister
There is an enormous difference between saying the to time is not right, and saying it will never happen but you are too fucking dishonest to admit that
You are wrong, I said under his watch.Again with the blatant lie. This statement by Obama is correct:
You and GoWest are lying.
There is an enormous difference between saying the to time is not right, and saying it will never happen but you are too fucking dishonest to admit that
Please apologize and admit you are wrong.
Wrong, official position of the Israeli government is that a Palestinian state should be created through negotiations with Israel.If it doesn't happen under his watch, there is no guarantee that the next government would allow it. So the official position of the Israeli government is that it doesn't allow a Palestinian state.
The personal opinion of Benjamin Netanyahu, not endorsed anywhere officially by the Knesset, is that the present circumstances don't allow for the creation of a Palestinian state.
It is nice to see you backpedaling from your lie that Netanyahu doesn't support the creation of a Palestinian state.
Unfortunately your posting history is available for all to see what you said.You are wrong, I said under his watch.
Please apologize and admit you are wrong.
He said he doesn't support a two state solution under CURRENT CONDITIONS, not never. You have been lying about this for weeks. You are a pathetic liar.Yes he did.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-election-2015/1.647212
I know people take strong arguments on this issue, but calling people liars is really too much.
He has said he supports it. He doesn't want it to happen until it will be a step towards peace and security and he correctly pointed out that is a Palestinian state were formed tomorrow it would become a haven for extremists dedicated to attacking Israel.If he doesn't want it to happen under his watch, that means he doesn't support it.
What a ridiculous claim.He has said he supports it. He doesn't want it to happen until it will be a step towards peace and security and he correctly pointed out that is a Palestinian state were formed tomorrow it would become a haven for extremists dedicated to attacking Israel.
To say that he won't allow a two state solution to happen under his watch but that he still supports it?
Ridiculous.
His pre-election claim stated that he wouldn't let it happen at all, not that it could happen if some conditions were met. He added that afterwords in a slimy attempt at backtracking. And its even slimier of you to try to push that claim.
The US doesn't believe Netanyahu supports a two state solution at all.
"As Obama said:
"Prime Minister Netanyahu in the election runup stated that a Palestinian state would not occur when he's Prime Minister"
You need to apologize.
