Finally, you acknowledge that those Arabs do not live in the state of Israel.
However, Israel is not "keeping" them stateless. They were offered their own independent state on two recent occasions, and they rejected the offers.
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However, Israel is not "keeping" them stateless. They were offered their own independent state on two recent occasions, and they rejected the offers.
If only the Arabs weren't aggressive, violent racists set on ethnically cleansing the Jews that would have happened in the 40s.Canada is a secular democracy giving equals rights to citizens regardless of faith. And why celebrating religious holidays would be incompatible with a secular state ? New York state closes public schools during not only christian holidays but also Jewish and recently added Muslim holidays. And it doesn't bother any non-christian to have an extra paid holiday day What's the problem with that ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/n...holy-days-to-public-school-calendar.html?_r=0
What's the problem of having a secular one state in middle east that celebrates jewish, muslim and christian holidays ?
You will never convince Jews to commit suicide. Every Arab majority nation had aggressively and violently persecuted Jews and the only way that won't happen is to have a Jewish majority state in Israel.
That is reality.
That is an idiotic statement, not living in any other state would make them stateless, not Israeli. You are a moron.No these arabs live in Israel because they don't live in any other state.
Offered a state ? Netenyahu said they won't have a state
It is also a false statement because we have proved beyond any doubt that Palestine is recognized as a state. The UN says they live in the occupied state of Palestine.
You are also LYING about Netanyahu, he never said that. He said there would not be an independent Palestinian state in the next few years, not never.
Then why did you say Israel was keeping them "stateless"? You can't even keep track of all your silliness.No these arabs live in Israel because they don't live in any other state.
Yes. They were offered a state in 2000, 2001 and 2008. The offers were rejected.Offered a state ?
(In my previous posts, I said the Palestinians were offered their own state on two recent occasions, but it was actually three).
It must all have happened in your bedroom, because the rest of the world did not hear about it.Yes. They were offered a state in 2000, 2001 and 2008. The offers were rejected.
Where by "rest of the world" you mean woefully ignorant people like you who only get their news from Russian government news agencies like "Russia Today".It must all have happened in your bedroom, because the rest of the world did not hear about it.
Normal people certainly heard about it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html?_r=0
You mean besides ruining your arguments once again? Why would you expect more of Israel than from North America? (and Israel is a secular democracy. Synagogue attendance there is lower than in church attendance in Canada or the US)Canada is a secular democracy giving equals rights to citizens regardless of faith. And why celebrating religious holidays would be incompatible with a secular state ? New York state closes public schools during not only christian holidays but also Jewish and recently added Muslim holidays. And it doesn't bother any non-christian to have an extra paid holiday day What's the problem with that ..
Meanwhile you pretend that the West Bank is part of Israel, you want to force the Palestinians into a situation they don't want, and you ignore persecution of Palestinians by other Arabs.
As far as the first two offers go, former president Bill Clinton certainly remembers them (and as much as he got around, he never made it to my bedroom):It must all have happened in your bedroom, because the rest of the world did not hear about it.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/ClintonMyLife.html
I don't know what you are babbling about, GoWest, but the reason a Jewish majority state is necessary is because of the reality that Jews would be persecuted and ultimately ethnically cleansed from an Arab majority state.
Look around at the middle east, every Arab state ethnically cleansed every Jew living there, and the Palestinians have been very vocal about their desire to do the same.
It is a non starter. Only a Jewish majority state guarantees the safety and security of the Jews.
The Jews of Israel will never commit mass suicide. The only alternatives that are possible without defeating IDF are a two state solution or a no state solution.
Look around at the middle east, every Arab state ethnically cleansed every Jew living there, and the Palestinians have been very vocal about their desire to do the same.
It is a non starter. Only a Jewish majority state guarantees the safety and security of the Jews.
The Jews of Israel will never commit mass suicide. The only alternatives that are possible without defeating IDF are a two state solution or a no state solution.
How many times are you going to repeat this blatant lie? Is there any version of your argument that doesn't depend on blatant lying?2-The west bank is part of Israel because Netenyahu said there will be no palestinian state there,
You are thoroughly dishonest. You lie constantly and even when your lies are pointed out you keep on lying.
1. Netanyahu NEVER said that
2. His opinion isn't even relevant anyway
3. No Palestinian state DOES NOT make it part of Israel
Stop your fucking lying.
You, our resident little lamb, cannot possibly understand that anyone would want to get information from a large variety of sources, including BBC, RT, DW, BBC, Al Jezeera, CNN, even MSNBC.Where by "rest of the world" you mean woefully ignorant people like you who only get their news from Russian government news agencies like "Russia Today".
You are happy to get your talking points from a single source.
????3- 1+2 The arabs from the west bank live in Israel
4- Those arabs are stateless
The offers of Palestinian statehood that were rejected by Arafat in 2000 and 2001 and by Abbas in 2008 were widely reported on those sources you cited.You, our resident little lamb, cannot possibly understand that anyone would want to get information from a large variety of sources, including BBC, RT, DW, BBC, Al Jezeera, CNN, even MSNBC.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82027
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/12/us-palestinians-israel-idUSLC6231820080812
When you say that the "rest of the world" hasn't heard of something that has been widely published in pretty much every major news outlet (I linked the NYT article) -- then YOU ARE A LAUGHINGSTOCK.You, our resident little lamb, cannot possibly understand that anyone would want to get information from a large variety of sources, including BBC, RT, DW, BBC, Al Jezeera, CNN, even MSNBC.
You are happy to get your talking points from a single source.
That is totally untrue, persecution of Jews had been routine throughout the entire period. When foreign control over the area was strong, by the Ottoman Turks, or by the British, Arab aggression was sometimes held in check for periods of time. But generally when foreign control was weak the Arabs would engage in violent, racist aggression against the Jews. Even under the best of circumstances under strong Turk control the Jews were treated as clear second class citizens, never treated with equality.Jews lived peacefully with arabs for centuries before this conflict started in 1947.
In any case in 1947 it was the Arabs who launched their racist war of aggression against the Jews, with the express war goal of ethnic cleansing the area. They succeeded in ethnically cleansing every square inch of territory under their control with Jews remaining only in areas that Haganah was able to defend. And in any case it is a fact that today in every Arab majority country the Jews have been entirely ethnically cleansed, and most of them have anti-Jew laws. The difference is stark and brutal: In any area under Jewish control there are both Jews and Arabs. In any area under Arab control all Jews were killed or forced out.
You are mixing up Ottomans and Arabs. While the Turks to this day have a fair degree of tolerance, the Arabs never really did, and there was only tolerance of other religions in the Middle East when it was under non-Arab control (i.e., Ottoman Turk).
In the present day of course none of that even matters -- it is a present day reality that the Arabs since at least the 1930's and all the way through to the modern day are committed to ethnic cleansing and racist aggression. If you created a one state today the result would be same as in 1947: a massive, racist war of aggression initiated by the Arabs with the express purpose of ethnic cleansing.
Maybe some day there will be a generation of Arabs not committed to ethnically cleansing the Jews, but however that came about, for whatever reason, it is a modern reality that a one-state solution is not a peaceful solution. A one state solution would in reality mean Arab violence against the Jews ending in a genocide.
That is why the UN and everybody else rejects it, and most especially why the Jews in Israel will NEVER accept a one-state solution: they are not suicidal, and no amount of bleating and mooing by you is going to make them suicidal.
Yes, Israel's basic law protects freedom of religion....
Does Israel do that ? The basic laws of Israel says that the state is jewish.
Israel has no entrenched constitution, but freedom of religion is anchored in law. While the Basic Laws of Israel that serve in place of a constitution define the country as a "Jewish state," these Basic Laws, coupled with Knesset statutes, decisions of the Supreme Court of Israel, and various elements of the common law current in Israel, also protect free practice of religion in the country.[4][5] Legal accommodation of the non-Jewish communities follows the pattern and practice of the Ottoman and British administrations with some important modifications. Israeli law officially recognizes five religions, all belonging to the Abrahamic family of religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Druzeism and the Bahá'í Faith. Furthermore, the law formally recognizes ten separate sects of Christianity: the Roman, Armenian, Maronite, Greek, Syriac, and Chaldean Catholic Churches; the Eastern Orthodox Greek Orthodox Church; the Oriental Orthodox Syriac Orthodox Church; the Armenian Apostolic Church; and Anglicanism.[6] Members of unrecognized religions are free to practice their religion.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel
Well our official head of state is the head of the Anglican Church.Is there an official state religion in Canada ? Is Canada officially an Anglican state like Israel is a jewish state?
And of course this is just another example where you try to hold Israel to a different standard than everyone else. Dozens and dozens of countries have an official religion (including Palestine). Some such as Israel and England don't let that diminish the rights of others but many others do. Some 30 countries even define what religion the head of state must be and many deny religious rights to minorities but you seem not to have issue with that...
Jews lived subservient to Muslims for many centuries and subject completely to the whims of their leadership. At times they fared okay while at other times they were persecuted and attacked. And there were organized attacks on Arab Jews in the Palestine region well before 1947. You seem to have no issue with Jews being denied rights for centuries under Arab rule but scream bloody murder when you think Jews are denying Arabs rights. You also seem pretty silent about Arabs denying each other rights (over 500 dead in the past two weeks in Yemen for example).Jews lived peacefully with arabs for centuries before this conflict started in 1947....
Also it's pretty pathetic that you consider Jews chased from their homes over a foreign conflict to be voluntary but repeatedly call Arabs fleeing Israel ethnic cleansing.
p.s. Of course there's the fact that Palestinians overwhelmingly don't want to live in peace with a Jewish Israel.
The Queen is our official head of state and she is the head of the Anglican church. That doesn't stop Canada (like England) from protecting freedom of religion. And Israeli law also protects freedom of religion. There are a couple things about religion in Israel that I think should change like allowing civil marriages but that is hardly a major issue when comparing the lack of minority religious rights in many other countries.OK but where does it say in the canadian constitution that Anglicanism is the official religion in Canada ? You're lying
I don't care about the religion practiced by the queen or Harper.
The Palestinians for example define Islam as their state religion and say that Sharia is the source of their laws. Maybe you should be complaining about the rights of Palestinian Christians.
Do you also take issue with England? They have an official state religion as well.Ok but Israel is presenting itself to the world as a western democracy, now do they want to follow the theocracy models of Middle East ?
So do Denmark, Iceland, Argentina, Norway, Scotland, Greece, and Wales. A number of other countries such as Germany and Russia give special status to their primary religions. All of those countries allows freedom of religion, the same as Israel.
Of course you have an issue only with Israel. Sad.
