Bibi Wins, Two State Solution Dies?

[basketcase]

Another anti-Israel clown who wants to impose a solution that the Palestinians are overwhelmingly opposed to while he is pretending to support their democratic 'rights'.

I notice that go-go is too busy trying to defend his point with semantics to address the actual issues.

We can do the "maths" for him though.

1. The West Bank isn't part of Israel and the Palestinians there don't want to be part of Israel.
2. The Palestinians aren't supportive of any peace that includes Israel and are massively opposed to a once state peace.
3. Despite arguing about the democratic rights of Palestinians (at least those under Israeli occupation - the rest don't matter to him) he wants to enforce a solution they don't want.

 

[basketcase]

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So the state of Alabama is a full state just because it has the name " state " ?

If the UN called it a state then yes.

 

[basketcase]

It isn't just military occupation because there are civilian israeli settlements there and they are subject to israeli civilian law not military law

Wait. Israeli civilians are subject to Israeli civilian law? Crazy.

 

[basketcase]

Netenyahu delcraed that there will be no state, so it's no longer temporary but permanent and therefore it isn't occupation

You really need to read up on what a democracy is. Netanyahu can declare himself king of Israel but until their parliament votes on it...

And as I pointed out earlier, the majority of votes went to parties that openly support a two state peace.

 

[fuji]

Well, I think GoWest understands very well that a "one state" solution means ethnically cleansing all the Jews and that the "one state" would be an Islamic theocracy based on Sharia law.

I think that is why he supports it. Some combination of wishing defeat on an American ally and a fundamental hatred of the West wherein he takes pleasure fantasizing about a democratic nation being scorched by anti Western forces.

He likes that idea. Probably mixed in a little straight up antisemitism but there is a theme of hating the West that he shares with Nutty and Taliban Dan.

 

[fuji]

are canadian citizens subject to canadian civil law when they are in Spain ?

It can. Depends on how we draft our laws.

 

[fuji]

No the one state would be secular inclusive to all its citizens jews, arabs, muslims christians , druzes etc...

I was talking about in this world. The world in which the Palestinians have publicly committed to ethnic cleansing and made it illegal to be a Jew.

 

[Moviefan-2]

You want a state exclusively for Jews...

I can't speak for Fuji, but if you were to ask me, I would say this is close to the mark.

Do I want a state that is "exclusively" for Jews? No. But I do support a Jewish nation that is predominantly Jewish.

And, frankly, if the Palestinians ever want their own state, they're going to have to support the same thing.

 

[Moviefan-2]

...this is another evidence that the West Bank is part of Israel

Perhaps you could explain to us why the Toronto Star and Haaretz are unaware of this development.

 

[fuji]

I didn't know that Canada has police force in Spain to enforce canadian ciivil law on canadians living in Spain

How they would force you to attend court if they issued a warrant for your arrest and you went on the lam is a different question. You asked whether Canadian law follows Canadians to Spain and the clear answer is yes it does.

For example, Canada's law against the sexual abuse of children applies to Canadians and permanent residents of Canada globally: abuse a child in Spain or Thailand and you can be charged and convicted in a Canadian court even if the local authorities don't charge you.

 

[fuji]

Israelis settlers in the west bank are subject to Israeli civil law, this is another evidence that the West Bank is part of Israel

No, it is evidence that the territory inside the wall where the settlers are is part of Israel. In Area "A" Palestinian law applies and Israeli law does not so by your exact argument that is evidence Area "A" is not part of Israel. Israeli domestic law also does not apply in Gaza.

Oh I bet you don't like your own logic being used to prove you wrong. This is just like when you cited UNESCO...

 

[basketcase]

are canadian citizens subject to canadian civil law when they are in Spain ?

Yes. Crimes committed by Canadians abroad can be prosecuted in Canada. I believe the law was enacted to prosecute Canadians sex offenders going to other countries to molest kids but can be applied to any law.

And of course since Israel is the occupying power in the West Bank they are the ones policing laws for Israeli civilians there.

 

[basketcase]

No the one state would be secular inclusive to all its citizens jews, arabs, muslims christians , druzes etc... and grating equal rights regardless of ethnicity....

Israel already does.

The thing that you keep trying to avoid is that by wanting to enforce your opinion on the Palestinians you are violating their democratic rights.

 

[basketcase]

I notice that go-go is too busy trying to defend his point with semantics to address the actual issues.

We can do the "maths" for him though.

1. The West Bank isn't part of Israel and the Palestinians there don't want to be part of Israel.
2. The Palestinians aren't supportive of any peace that includes Israel and are massively opposed to a once state peace.
3. Despite arguing about the democratic rights of Palestinians (at least those under Israeli occupation - the rest don't matter to him) he wants to enforce a solution they don't want.

And still go-go ignores these "maths".

He talks about democratic rights but ignores that Palestinians overwhelmingly don't agree with him just like he ignores the Palestinian descendents in other Arab countries who lack basic human rights.

Obviously he sees criticizing Israel as more important than human rights (or even honesty).

 

[fuji]

Does it apply to Bill c-36 if a canadian purchases sex from an adult in a legal brothel in New Zealand where this trade is completely legal ?

I don't believe that law was drafted to apply globally the way the child exploitation law is, but you would have to check with a lawyer.

 

[fuji]

so why military law applies to palestinians in west bank ?

Because it is occupied. That is what occupation means: under military control.

 

[fuji]

the one state would be secular inclusive to all its citizens jews, arabs, muslims christians , druzes etc... and grating equal rights regardless of ethnicity....

Not in this world with this generation of aggressively violent antisemitic Palestinians. Not a chance of that. There is not a single Arab majority country in which that is true. In most of them it is outright illegal to be a Jew. The Palestinians have demonstrated less tolerance and greater antisemitism then other Arab communities. They have already instituted the death penalty for anyone who sells land to a Jew in the west bank.

So no, that wouldn't happen. They would finish the job they tried to do back in 1947.

 

[basketcase]

the one state would be secular inclusive to all its citizens jews, arabs, muslims christians , druzes etc... and grating equal rights regardless of ethnicity....

Israel does that ? Israel is keeping 4 million people stateless just because they are arabs

It is pretty idiotic to claim that a Palestinians are stateless because of Israeli racism. It is quite clear that there is no Palestinian state because the majority of Palestinians refuse the idea of peace with Israel or as a part of Israel because of racism against Jews. The fact that you continually ignore that point shows quite clearly that human rights is not your agenda.

Of course being an idiotic anti-Israel claim, I'm not surprised you made it.

 

[basketcase]

And as to the secular part, again it's a standard you hold Israel to and not the rest of the world. And especially amusing as us Canadians are in the midst of celebrating legally instituted Christian holidays this weekend.

 

[danmand]

What's the problem of having a secular one state in middle east that celebrates jewish, muslim and christian holidays ?

The Americans wanted a regime change in Iraq.