Some of you guys should be contacting JT to find out his position. You'll probably get the same finger that his dad gave, of course that will be right after the election.
It is such a non-issue in the scheme of things.
Fraudulent Conservative Election!
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It is such a non-issue in the scheme of things.
That's why the "Fair Elections Act" (An Orwellian term if I ever heard one!), which is being challenged in the courts, tried to gut the powers of Elections Canada, so that they wouldn't be able to investigate Conservative election fraud. The last election was won by the Conservatives through massive fraud and voter suppression. As I understand it is still being investigated but it might take to beyond the next election to get to the truth. The Cons are trying to skew the next election in their favour through a series of measures, such as burying changes to the Copyright law in the next budget omnibus bill. My biggest fear is that the next elections won't be free and fair, the Cons will win again, and our elections will become about as valid as Russia's. What a vile and odious regime this is! We need to take our country back. We need to take our democracy back.Presstv is an Iranian site, takes a little while for them to get the news over here, I guess.
That said, the con's won the election with the aid of electoral fraud. They got away with it, but it was there. The COC has the info to claim that it could have been enough to give Harper his majority.
Harper has been caught cheating at elections before, remember the in and out scheme?
This year the media are all up in arms as Harper wants to be able to use anything he wants from tv, radio or print in his attack ads, so is asking for an exception to the copyright law.
I would expect this election to be just as dirty if not more dirty then the last one.
Harper is turning into a despot.
Silencing critics and scientists and sic'ing CRA on those who disagree with him.
Absolutely!!! This is getting ridiculous how they keep trying to take away our democracy and rights as Canadian citizens!!What a vile and odious regime this is! We need to take our country back. We need to take our democracy back.
This ^!!!!!!!!That's why the "Fair Elections Act" (An Orwellian term if I ever heard one!), which is being challenged in the courts, tried to gut the powers of Elections Canada, so that they wouldn't be able to investigate Conservative election fraud. The last election was won by the Conservatives through massive fraud and voter suppression. As I understand it is still being investigated but it might take to beyond the next election to get to the truth. The Cons are trying to skew the next election in their favour through a series of measures, such as burying changes to the Copyright law in the next budget omnibus bill. My biggest fear is that the next elections won't be free and fair, the Cons will win again, and our elections will become about as valid as Russia's. What a vile and odious regime this is! We need to take our country back. We need to take our democracy back.
Agreed.This ^!!!!!!!!
This next election promises to be even stinkier then the last one.
What measures or changes are they trying to impose, that they and the opposition can use any ( what the media says is copyright ) material in ads. That sounds fair, when the consertavies got into power with a bunch of unknowns, they media was all over them.The Cons are trying to skew the next election in their favour through a series of measures, such as burying changes to the Copyright law in the next budget omnibus bill.
Google it.What measures or changes are they trying to impose, that they and the opposition can use any ( what the media says is copyright ) material in ads. That sounds fair, when the consertavies got into power with a bunch of unknowns, they media was all over them.
There are a number of moves to lessen the power of elections canada to investigate conservative fraud.
Oh I was just interested in POV of the changes to the copyright laws.Google it.
There are a number of moves to lessen the power of elections canada to investigate conservative fraud.
After years of power, corruption of some kind is a given. To get into politics for "for the good of the people" is like trying to work harder, faster in a union shop.
We should all understand that the day after winning an election, the order of business is pay off your friends and make plans on winning the next election.
Oh I was just interested in POV of the changes to the copyright laws.
After years of power, corruption of some kind is a given. To get into politics for "for the good of the people" is like trying to work harder, faster in a union shop.
We should all understand that the day after winning an election, the order of business is pay off your friends and make plans on winning the next election.
My POV?
Harper wants to be able to take any video or statement he wants, from any source and against the wishes of those who created it, to use as fodder for his attack ads.
Its a low blow aimed at lowering the the standards of an electioneering program that's already included fraud in the last two elections.
You can bet that he's already included some escape clause in his watering down of Elections Canada's regulations in preparation for this next election.
If the liberals and ndp can do the same, I don't see the point. In fact, one could have an argument that some third party could dictate what can be repeated. If it comes out of someone's mouth, there should be no fear of it becoming public, save for private conversations. I guess I just don't understand your postering.My POV?
Harper wants to be able to take any video or statement he wants, from any source and against the wishes of those who created it, to use as fodder for his attack ads.
Its a low blow aimed at lowering the the standards of an electioneering program that's already included fraud in the last two elections.
You can bet that he's already included some escape clause in his watering down of Elections Canada's regulations in preparation for this next election.
I'll bet that any escape clause in his watering down of Elections Canada's regulations in preparation for the next election don't include " conservative" party.
Its true that the rules can be applied to both parties, assuming all parties know of the escape clauses or fine print.If the liberals and ndp can do the same, I don't see the point. In fact, one could have an argument that some third party could dictate what can be repeated. If it comes out of someone's mouth, there should be no fear of it becoming public, save for private conversations. I guess I just don't understand your postering.
I'll bet that any escape clause in his watering down of Elections Canada's regulations in preparation for the next election don't include " conservative" party.
What it does do is point to a plan for a particularly dirty campaign based on attack ads using clips not authorized by the stations or reporters who made them.
Robocalls are one thing, but this could be much worse.
I understand your POV, but say a candidate says something stupid, it should come out, in a democracy that is what it is about. What you are saying is that the conservatives are smarter and the notion about dirty politics... That ship has already sailed.
Spare me.Its true that the rules can be applied to both parties, assuming all parties know of the escape clauses or fine print.
What it does do is point to a plan for a particularly dirty campaign based on attack ads using clips not authorized by the stations or reporters who made them.
Robocalls are one thing, but this could be much worse.
This is all about money. Nothing more.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/13/media-material-for-nothing-and-clips-for-free
There is no mention of money as a reason in that article, did you read it?Spare me.
This is all about money. Nothing more.
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/13/media-material-for-nothing-and-clips-for-free
This is all about the con's making it so they can use whatever footage they want, out of context and making it so the networks can't refuse to run them.
The only reason they want this legislation is so they can plan a campaign based on attack ads.
We need politicians who present ideas, not just act like a Ford attack dog all the time.
Did you even get past the headline: "Media material for nothing and clips for free"There is no mention of money as a reason in that article, did you read it?
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/13/media-material-for-nothing-and-clips-for-free
Copyright laws are about seeking payment for the use of materials.
The problem in this case is there is no intellectual property involved. As best I understand it, the proposed changes would allow political parties to run clips of politicians without paying to use the clips.
There's no suggestion that entire news stories (which you could argue are intellectual property) would run in the ads. No political ad ever runs that long.
You mean like the Liberal ad showing armed soldiers in the streets?There is no mention of money as a reason in that article, did you read it?
This is all about the con's making it so they can use whatever footage they want, out of context and making it so the networks can't refuse to run them.
The only reason they want this legislation is so they can plan a campaign based on attack ads.
We need politicians who present ideas, not just act like a Ford attack dog all the time.
Try not to demonize ones tactics and halo the others.......
Google it.
There are a number of moves to lessen the power of elections canada to investigate conservative fraud.
So somehow the rules are unfair because you think Harper will make more use of them?There is no mention of money as a reason in that article, did you read it?
This is all about the con's making it so they can use whatever footage they want, out of context and making it so the networks can't refuse to run them.
The only reason they want this legislation is so they can plan a campaign based on attack ads.
We need politicians who present ideas, not just act like a Ford attack dog all the time.
Of course the sad part is that contrived, misleading, and essentially lying campaign adds work but dumb people are still a part of our democracy.
(of course based on your post history, you should be pretty comfortable with the contrived, misleading, and lies)
I'm against all attack ads.You mean like the Liberal ad showing armed soldiers in the streets?
Try not to demonize ones tactics and halo the others.......
But changing the rules to allow them to get even worse with no oversight is an attack on our democratic elections.
As far as I know, political parties aren't paying royalties or copyright fees to use clips in attack ads.Did you even get past the headline: "Media material for nothing and clips for free"
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/13/media-material-for-nothing-and-clips-for-free
Copyright laws are about seeking payment for the use of materials.
The problem in this case is there is no intellectual property involved. As best I understand it, the proposed changes would allow political parties to run clips of politicians without paying to use the clips.
There's no suggestion that entire news stories (which you could argue are intellectual property) would run in the ads. No political ad ever runs that long.
I could be wrong about that, haven't really looked into it, but that's what I remember off hand.
The bigger difference is that they now don't need permission or clearance to use any clip.
So for instance, there is nothing stopping them from an attack ad like this with the new election.
Don't vote for moviefan2:
That ad would now be legal, with the stations and you having no recourse. The stations would have to broadcast the ads even if they know the quote was taken out of context and is wrong.I'm a racist, I'll be happy to appear and to set the record straight.
How does allowing attack adds make things less democratic?I'm against all attack ads.
But changing the rules to allow them to get even worse with no oversight is an attack on our democratic elections.
