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groggy

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Are you illiterate?

Nowhere does he talk about any of the things in your definition. Are you so stupid that you are lying about quotes you have actually posted here?????

He does not say move them against their will or deny them services???!!!! You are lying.

He certainly talks a lot about annihilating Hamas, but that is a good thing. Hamas should be annihilated. The civilians he proposes will be safe in refugee camps.
Are you really still claiming that the people of Gaza would want to move to concentration camps in the desert while all of Gaza is destroyed?
And that they'd do it voluntarily?


Why are you still supporting this call for concentration camps?
 

fuji

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I am not claiming his plan was well thought through, I don't think it would work. I think it is deeply flawed.

But you lied about it being a concentration camp. He never said anything about detaining or arresting people. You made all that up.

You lie in order to incite hate. A reasonable person would criticize it add a bad plan. Only a hate mongering pathological liar like you makes up claims about it being a concentration camp.

You really are pathetic.
 

fuji

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No one is calling for concentration camps you lying sack of shit.

I think it is a bad plan, but it is not a plan for concentration camps. It is a bad plan because Hamas will use violence to prevent civilians from going to the safe havens, so his plan won't work due to the atrocity Hamas perpetrates against Palestinians.

But that doesn't make it an evil plan, it is not a plan for concentration camps, or any of your other lying bullshit.

In fact it is YOUR plan, it is the one state solution, with citizenship available to any Palestinian willing to swear an oath of allegiance to Israel. Except of course that it involves annihilating the terrorists, and you don't want the terrorists to be annihilated because you actually think terrorism against Jews is a good thing.
 

gryfin

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CNN and the New York Times are not run by MEMRI.

In any event, I say the same thing to you that I said to Gryfin: Try reading Hamas' charter. You won't like what you find, but at least you'll know what it is you're defending.
Really? Then why does the word Zionist come up so many times?
 

gryfin

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Once again, you confirm that you don't know what the word "concede" means.

Yes, I acknowledged there were references to "Zionism" (which Hamas defines as world domination by the evil Jews) and to the anti-Semitic hoax, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Here is Article 22 and its description of "Zionist interests":

"For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."


http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

The references to "Zionism" (world domination, according to Hamas) and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are just part of the repeated references to Hamas' pathological hatred of the Jews for being Jewish, and to Hamas' commitment to kill the Jews.



No, actually, CNN confirmed the translation is accurate.

Furthermore, while it is a clip from a longer interview, your use of the word "edited" is extremely misleading. The clip itself has no jump cuts, no dissolves, no cutaway shots, and the video and audio are in synch. The clip has not been edited or doctored. Hamdan clearly did state the blood libel, and refused to retract it when given the opportunity.

Since you have brought this up again, perhaps it's time for you to answer the question: Do you think Osama Hamdan's assertion that Jews slaughtered Christians in order to use their blood for Passover is antisemitic?
Hamdan's comments were no more antisemitic than your use of the phrase. You said exactly the same thing. By your own reasoning you are antisemitic. Now, I'm sure you'll argue that your utterance was in a different context. Just like Hamdan has. But, as you can see, I can produce the same statement from you if I edit the beginning and the end of your statement. Just like happened to Hamdan in the 47 second MEMRI fiction factory tape.

Now, do we have to take to the woodshed anymore?
 

gryfin

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Meanwhile CNN fact checkers validated the quote. Quit your stupid clown dance gryfin, the jig is up.
I'm sure you can validate the quote from Moviefan as well. Therefore he must be antisemitic, right? You don't need to worry about what he said before or after. Context is irrelevant, right?
 

fuji

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I think you should stop your stupid clown dance, you lost the debate long ago when it was confirmed that CNN fact checkers validated Hamdan's horrifically antisemitic quote.
 

gryfin

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I think you should stop your stupid clown dance, you lost the debate long ago when it was confirmed that CNN fact checkers validated Hamdan's horrifically antisemitic quote.

Can you validate Moviefan's antisemitic comments for us or are you going to use context and what he said before and after to exonerate him?
 

gryfin

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MF's comments aren't the topic, but I see you have conceded Hamdan is an antisemitite so we are done.
Can you validate Moviefan's antisemitic comments for us or are you going to use context and what he said before and after to exonerate him?
 

groggy

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MF's comments aren't the topic, but I see you have conceded Hamdan is an antisemitite so we are done.
So you excuse MF's antisemitic comments, just like you excuse Feiglin's plan for concentration camps?
 

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All Palestinians must die. Holocaust!!! Holocaust!!! More Palestinians must die. Holocaust!!! Holocaust!!! 6 Million...or 6 Billion...or 6 Trillion...yes, 6 Trillion of us died!!! So all Palestinians must die!!! Holocaust!!! Holocaust!!!
 

fuji

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So you excuse MF's antisemitic comments, just like you excuse Feiglin's plan for concentration camps?
I didn't read MF's post, but I have no doubt you two are lying/misrepresenting just based on your long histories of lying. Anyway, whatever you two are up to it is clown dance jibber jabber to change the topic away from the debate you lost:

Hamdan is an antisemite.
 

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Really? Then why does the word Zionist come up so many times?
Try reading the Hamas charter. According to Hamas, the word "Zionist" refers to the evil plot by the Jews to take over the world.

Why do the references to the Jews' evil plot for world domination come up so often in the charter? Because Hamas has a pathological hatred of Jews that has nothing to do with the State of Israel or Israeli policies.
 

Moviefan-2

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I see that Groggy and Gryfin are still claiming that Hamdan's assertion that Jews slaughter Christians in order to use their blood for Passover might be perfectly acceptable within a given context.

The question remains, for either one (and neither of them will answer it): What is the context that would make such an assertion acceptable?"

They won't answer the question because there is no answer. Hamdan was promoting Jew hatred. Groggy and Gryfin both know it.
 

gryfin

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I didn't read MF's post, but I have no doubt you two are lying/misrepresenting just based on your long histories of lying. Anyway, whatever you two are up to it is clown dance jibber jabber to change the topic away from the debate you lost:

Hamdan is an antisemite.
You didn't read Moviefan's post? That's hard to believe considering you responded to my post with his quote in it. Playing dumb is such a bad strategy, windbag.
 
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