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Terri-Jean Bedford threatens to name names if C-36 passes

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DB123 said:
Does anyone know of anyone that saw her? I don't...
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You can watch all the video of the commission here.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/sencommitteebusiness/Notice.aspx?parl=41&ses=2&comm_id=11&Language=E&meeting_id=15372
Click on the video webcast link. I watched her. I think she sounded too angry and not enough in control, but the whole commission is a farce, so it's good to see someone not take them seriously. However, I liked Valerie Scott who is the complete opposite in terms of caracter.

The problem with giving names is it could be libelous, unless she has actual evidence. It would also be commercial suicide for any worker who does that, but probably Bedford doesn't care.


fmahovalich said:
ladies can prostitute....advertise....entertain clients.....recieve cash for same...without fear of prosecution.
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They can do all that, provided they don't mind having clients only in dangerous settings. Because clients will not want to go to a fixed location. They will not want to communicate. Also, as Mackay stated extensively, the act of selling is a crime. They just have immunity from prosecution. Police can still search them, question them, put them under surveillance and intimidate them.

One senator today said this might even make them liable for some provincial law that allow double prosecutions on criminal acts. They have only immunity for those specific provisions. It would not immunize them from any other law that could criminalize them for engaging in any criminal activity (such as laws against conspiracy).

I don't understant all of it very well, but selling is de jure illegal (with immunity) and it could have some complex ramification for them.
 
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Do everyone a favour and just STFU. All you do on each and every post that you make is parrot government talking lines. You have absolutely nothing of value to contribute to the discussion.
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I will avoid digressing and getting personal. It does not add to the conversation.

I do note that, SP are not on the same page as Bedford. Rather telling.
 
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Siocnarf said:
You can watch all the video of the commission here.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/sencommitteebusiness/Notice.aspx?parl=41&ses=2&comm_id=11&Language=E&meeting_id=15372
Click on the video webcast link. I watched her. I think she sounded too angry and not enough in control, but the whole commission is a farce, so it's good to see someone not take them seriously. However, I liked Valerie Scott who is the complete opposite in terms of caracter.

The problem with giving names is it could be libelous, unless she has actual evidence. It would also be commercial suicide for any worker who does that, but probably Bedford doesn't care.

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No no no, I meant saw her as a client of hers?
 
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Wondering....How many years she will go back... (Gulp)


Or will it be more outing high profile lads... As opposed to time (gulp)
 
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MissElizabeth said:
She has let her anger get the better of her. She has now set back almost everything we have been trying to fight for just because of anger. We as escorts and hobbiests need to be taken seriously but to do that we need keep a level head and our anger in check. By threatening to name people, she is showing that escorts can be no better than extortionists, when 90% of us aren't. How many of us try to protect those that we see in any way we can? How many of us have taken the steps to continue that even if or when this bill passes.

Please don't congratulate her. I applaud her for taking this as far as she has, but she has crossed a line today and the government may just go after us even worse.
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MissElizabeth said:
Don't fear the government, why should I. As a person who has lived in a third world country where democracy was just a word in a half burned dictionary, trust me I know how good I have it up here.

But if you want to be taken seriously then you don't threaten with something that can be potentially criminal. I don't like this new bill anymore than you or the other hobbiest, and not because of what I do for a living as I am one of the lucky ones and it is easy for me to change that. What I hate is the fear my friends show because of this bill, what I hate is hearing the fear of what if in their voices, and I really hate the stress that is being put on people who should be able to enjoy the fact that they are adults.
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This. Well said. You get it. The proposed law sucks. So let's fight it like civilized members of society. Throwing hissy fits and slapping a riding crop on the table confirms the worst stereotypes. We aren't idiots, arrested adolescents, or misfits.

We need to be clever, organized and smart.

Sadly, this industry has lived so long outside of the system that many people simply don't know how the system works.
 
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Jacklyn7 said:
I would LOVE to see what she'd do with you...
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Not to sound all whatever, but you would love to see what you'd do with me :D

(sadly I feel compelled to add that, for those with no sense of humour - I don't mean you, btw, you're a good sport - I kid...I kid)
 
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MissElizabeth said:
She has let her anger get the better of her. She has now set back almost everything we have been trying to fight for just because of anger. We as escorts and hobbiests need to be taken seriously but to do that we need keep a level head and our anger in check. By threatening to name people, she is showing that escorts can be no better than extortionists, when 90% of us aren't. How many of us try to protect those that we see in any way we can? How many of us have taken the steps to continue that even if or when this bill passes.

Please don't congratulate her. I applaud her for taking this as far as she has, but she has crossed a line today and the government may just go after us even worse.
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Well put.

Trying to make a case that SP's are responsible and want to legitimize their occupations doesn't agree with threatening to out conservatives if they pass a bill she doesn't agree with. Its very clear that the hearings and all the conservatives are window dressing on an ideological bill written long ago. But Bedford should have known that would happen when she pressed the case with Harper in power. The bill threatens to make life much more unsafe for the ladies as everything will have to go back underground as clients worry about getting themselves in trouble. In most ways we've been spoiled here lately. Its been defacto legalized and not a major issue before Bedford brought it up, with police giving some support and credence to SP's and SP's having a variety of options for situations to work in, and in a relatively safe manner. That's not to say that there aren't areas that shouldn't be cleaned up, but this bill will do nothing but make everything that much shadier again.

Things will change and they are most likely to get worse for all of us on both sides.
 
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groggy said:
....Things will change and they are most likely to get worse for all of us on both sides.
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I don't think it will change. Who cares about ''paradigm shift''? It was illegal before and it will continue to be. One thing she said is if it was ''legal to buy'' before where do all these John Schools come from? They tried shaming or prosecuting clients before. It's the same old thing in a new package.
 
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Lol, you sound so sure of yourself! You know I can take it ;)

DB123 said:
Not to sound all whatever, but you would love to see what you'd do with me :D

(sadly I feel compelled to add that, for those with no sense of humour - I don't mean you, btw, you're a good sport - I kid...I kid)
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No one with believe her. Who in Canada is going to believe a whore? I mean wish it would lead to a shit storm in the conservative caucus but I don't think anything thing with happen.
 
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MissElizabeth said:
She has let her anger get the better of her. She has now set back almost everything we have been trying to fight for just because of anger. We as escorts and hobbiests need to be taken seriously but to do that we need keep a level head and our anger in check. By threatening to name people, she is showing that escorts can be no better than extortionists, when 90% of us aren't. How many of us try to protect those that we see in any way we can? How many of us have taken the steps to continue that even if or when this bill passes.

Please don't congratulate her. I applaud her for taking this as far as she has, but she has crossed a line today and the government may just go after us even worse.
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I completely agree.
Two wrongs don't make it right.
Bedford started this....this is now her legacy.

My personal opinion, what we have/had should have been left alone.
Bedford doesn't represent me. I don't remember getting any kind of call/email/survey asking my opinion.
I feel ill for those women who are desperate enough to take risks. Myself and so many others like me will do no such thing.

Laws that are now would never have prevented me from calling the police if ever robbed or injured...they still won't.
Any client that wants to remain hidden re: block call is not a client I would like to see, now or in the future.

I am also thinking of never excepting cash again when/if these laws come to fruition.
What I'm thinking of is visa/mastercard/amex gift cards. You purchase the card, give me the number I register it and you come for the appt once the card(s) are confirmed.
Obviously will only work with established girls. But if you get stopped and have no cash on you what can be done?

I dislike so much that clients are going to be treated as criminals when all they seek is companionship and affection.
Bedford's behaviour was atrocious today and this is not the first time. Again she does not represent me!
 
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The conservatives lied and cheated the results of the online survey to pass this bill, so nothing wrong with Bedford playing dirty and nasty.
 
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