And what's your point, there are people on the road in this city who use to ride bikes back home, before they came to this country. Hello !!!
Never Talk To The Police
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This was on a freeway, traffic wasn't moving much fast and it was confusing. And my buddy wasn't sitting there, he was rolling and didn't respond fast enough for the cop. It wasn't an emergency because the cop had enough time to get in his face and lecture him.It's hard to believe people don't understand what it means when a vehicle with sirens on means (police car, fire truck, ambulance). It means move over, they want to get through. When it's jam packed, they even honk their loud horn if people are sitting there. If it's a cop car and they end up still trailing you directly, it means they want you to pull over as you're the one they are interested in.
Common sense.
What moron would just sit there driving normal with a vehicle behind them blasting sirens? But there's always a few. Typically, you'll see 99% of the cars slowly edge to the side and let them through, but some reason you have that one car that just sits there blocking their lane.
If someone doesn't understand that a vehicle with sirens on (and sometimes even honking their horn for good measure) means to move over they shouldn't have a driver's license.And what's your point, there are people on the road in this city who use to ride bikes back home, before they came to this country. Hello !!!
At worst, move over as everyone else to copy them.
No different than something like big snowy days where you can't see the lines on the road. Nowhere does it say in any manual, nor any lessons from a driving instructor, that the best way to drive through blizzards is to drive slow and follow the other cars. Do what they do. If everyone is driving slow and someone started it off making lane tracks, follow it, even if you think the actual painted lines are really 5 ft over.
Common sense.
Exactly. Basically he's admitting that his assertions are nothing more than speculation.Yeah, never let facts get in the way of a good argument, right?
Very good, that's exactly what I was alluding to. So live with it.If someone doesn't understand that a vehicle with sirens on (and sometimes even honking their horn for good measure) means to move over they shouldn't have a driver's license.
At worst, move over as everyone else to copy them.
No different than something like big snowy days where you can't see the lines on the road. Nowhere does it say in any manual, nor any lessons from a driving instructor, that the best way to drive through blizzards is to drive slow and follow the other cars. Do what they do. If everyone is driving slow and someone started it off making lane tracks, follow it, even if you think the actual painted lines are really 5 ft over.
Common sense.
You've obviously never been part of a close-knit team that requires each other for backup. I don't mean like...a volleyball team, I mean a real team. If one of my wingman was accused of something, I would stick up for him too. I wouldn't volunteer information that shows him in a bad light and may give credence to the claims because he has had my back time and time again, I trust him. Why should I take the word of some clowns I've never met? Even worse for cops, because they're constantly being attacked and accused of shit by the public. So why would they take your word for it?Actually all those stories of woe in my post are from outside major metropolitan areas. I live in a town of 50K and the cops are pretty much out of control.
Again. The "good" cops know who the bad cops are and protect them. Thus they are all bad one way or another. Or drummed out of the force.
as for your second point. That is like saying, well if you believe the beating that MMA guy gave the porno chick was bad... Paul Bernardo. Maybe so but it doesn't excuse anything.
But now, if they see a cop laying a beat down on someone... That's a different story. And you DO see cases of cops coming forward. But as with couples who go on crime spree's together, bad cops can flock together. So you get two guys partnered up who both think cracking skulls is the way to do it... Why shouldn't the patrol on their shift that does the next district over defend them when you accuse them of doing something wrong?
The Thin Blue Line isn't as bad as people make it out to be. People are just pissed off that they get speeding tickets and have to wear seatbelts or whatever other reason it is that people go around looking for stuff.
And I don't see what posting videos of bad cops is supposed to do... Do people really think I can't google positive stories about cops and find tons of them out there too? Is posting 6 or 7 stories supposed to suddenly make me reconsider the reality that thousands of police interactions per day result in one or two borderline conduct cases a week and one or two major ones every few months?
The thing is some people are easily influenced by media. And media will maximize attention (sales) by dramatizing things that turn heads. Given a choice between two stories:And I don't see what posting videos of bad cops is supposed to do... Do people really think I can't google positive stories about cops and find tons of them out there too? Is posting 6 or 7 stories supposed to suddenly make me reconsider the reality that thousands of police interactions per day result in one or two borderline conduct cases a week and one or two major ones every few months?
1. Cop mistreats bystander, or
2. Cop helps raise money at fundraiser
Which one would people publish to maximize attention? I'm no journalist major, but I'd choose #1.
Using the show COPS as a benchmark, that means all policemen are rampaging through the streets knocking down doors and running after crooks through dark streets an bushes...... Ummmmm.... No. But I think many people actually think that and the police squad is made of up 1,000s of street bullies running after people in every neighbourhood. If you ever do a search about the history of COPS, it got criticized about showing so much violence and action. The basic response was that they showed those clips because it's the most action packed clips to show as opposed to all the footage of boring patrols.
Every industry has bad people. I guess cop-haters don't go to the doctor, dentist, and if seriously injured will still drive themselves to the hospital without paramedic help because there's bad apples who will take advantage of patients. There's always articles about the scamming doctor, or perverted gynaecologist messing around. And talk about scamming insurance. Do people know that if you go to the dentist using company benefits they charge the regular billed price? But if you go there as someone with zero benefits and pay cash (like when I graduated school and had no job yet), they charge you half what they bill insurance companies? I've seen the invoices they make when doing claims and a typical check up can be about $200. Paying cash, they said my fee was $90 (and that even included X-rays). Wow. Talk about ripping off the system. Therefore, all dentists are bad people. lol
Your right laser. There was a guy who use to come into the strip joint I use to hang out in. Great guy lots of laughs. He was also going out with oneYou've obviously never been part of a close-knit team that requires each other for backup. I don't mean like...a volleyball team, I mean a real team. If one of my wingman was accused of something, I would stick up for him too. I wouldn't volunteer information that shows him in a bad light and may give credence to the claims because he has had my back time and time again, I trust him. Why should I take the word of some clowns I've never met? Even worse for cops, because they're constantly being attacked and accused of shit by the public. So why would they take your word for it?
But now, if they see a cop laying a beat down on someone... That's a different story. And you DO see cases of cops coming forward. But as with couples who go on crime spree's together, bad cops can flock together. So you get two guys partnered up who both think cracking skulls is the way to do it... Why shouldn't the patrol on their shift that does the next district over defend them when you accuse them of doing something wrong?
The Thin Blue Line isn't as bad as people make it out to be. People are just pissed off that they get speeding tickets and have to wear seatbelts or whatever other reason it is that people go around looking for stuff.
And I don't see what posting videos of bad cops is supposed to do... Do people really think I can't google positive stories about cops and find tons of them out there too? Is posting 6 or 7 stories supposed to suddenly make me reconsider the reality that thousands of police interactions per day result in one or two borderline conduct cases a week and one or two major ones every few months?
of the dancers in that club. Well lo and behold he became a cop !!! His luv interest had to quite her job in order to continue in her relationship with him.
Months later our Irish DJ at this club decided to leave, drunk as sin. He got stopped by LE and guess who stopped him, you guessed it. He let him go, and
told him to go back to club and get sober. Yes some of them are human.
You still don't get it do you? One bad interaction with the police can bring down the entire power of the State down on the individual. It can ruin lives. Cops doing their job (and I've seen the positive stories too) is great but when they lie, beat down, murder and do it with extraordinary authority granted to them by the State, then that's a BIG FUCKING DEAL.And I don't see what posting videos of bad cops is supposed to do... Do people really think I can't google positive stories about cops and find tons of them out there too? Is posting 6 or 7 stories supposed to suddenly make me reconsider the reality that thousands of police interactions per day result in one or two borderline conduct cases a week and one or two major ones every few months?
I just hope for myself, my family and friends that we never run into a disturbed cop. Look at what they do to a white woman, in jail, under video surveillance. If you're a minority, black and there's no camera rollings.....it can be you vs them and there's no recourse.
This guy had felony counts laid against him. "Resisting arrest"? And with video tape evidence to contrary? These guys lie worse than Rob Ford and their narcissism and control issues destroy people.
Let's not give them an easy pass. They have significant authority from the State over the lives of regular citizens.
Unarmed man shot by LBPD. City settles for over $6M. They gunned him down and claimed "self defense". And LBPD Chief stands by their "internal investigation" clearing the cops.
This shooting was back in 2010.
And since then, there are TWO more active lawsuits against this same PD for shooting deaths. Does every city have to turn into Ferguson and the Feds brought in to hold cops accountable and do proper investigations?
This shooting was back in 2010.
And since then, there are TWO more active lawsuits against this same PD for shooting deaths. Does every city have to turn into Ferguson and the Feds brought in to hold cops accountable and do proper investigations?
Doesn't this rather make the opposite point? The Chicago Police did not institutionally attempt to sweep it under the rug, the District Attorney's Officer treated the case most seriously and brought felony charges against the officer responsible.This [police officer] had felony counts laid against him. "Resisting arrest"? And with video tape evidence to contrary?
Frankly I'm surprised.Actually all those stories of woe in my post are from outside major metropolitan areas. I live in a town of 50K and the cops are pretty much out of control.
Doesn't that go straight back to my original comment: Doesn't it depend whether they were drinking before, during or after shooting?Bringing police ordnance ( cool toys) to a cottage and engaging in burning ammo and alcohol together with the public.
no .Doesn't that go straight back to my original comment: Doesn't it depend whether they were drinking before, during or after shooting?
When will you admit that facts and the always manipulated outcomes of statistical analyses are virtually never congruent. Hiding behind the 'illusion' of statistics to manipulate a debate to one's own purpose, regardless of facts? Call shack - he's the expert.Exactly. Basically he's admitting that his assertions are nothing more than speculation.
Serpent, you do realized how large the city of Long Beach is let alone the greater Los Angeles metropolis. Further that although every unjustified police shooting is horrific, that in a state of over 315 million people these bad shootings are microscopically small.
Methinks someone needs a lesson on ethics and integrity.You've obviously never been part of a close-knit team that requires each other for backup. I don't mean like...a volleyball team, I mean a real team. If one of my wingman was accused of something, I would stick up for him too. I wouldn't volunteer information that shows him in a bad light and may give credence to the claims because he has had my back time and time again, I trust him. Why should I take the word of some clowns I've never met? Even worse for cops, because they're constantly being attacked and accused of shit by the public. So why would they take your word for it?
But now, if they see a cop laying a beat down on someone... That's a different story. And you DO see cases of cops coming forward. But as with couples who go on crime spree's together, bad cops can flock together. So you get two guys partnered up who both think cracking skulls is the way to do it... Why shouldn't the patrol on their shift that does the next district over defend them when you accuse them of doing something wrong?
The Thin Blue Line isn't as bad as people make it out to be. People are just pissed off that they get speeding tickets and have to wear seatbelts or whatever other reason it is that people go around looking for stuff.
And I don't see what posting videos of bad cops is supposed to do... Do people really think I can't google positive stories about cops and find tons of them out there too? Is posting 6 or 7 stories supposed to suddenly make me reconsider the reality that thousands of police interactions per day result in one or two borderline conduct cases a week and one or two major ones every few months?
How then isno .
Unrelated to whether they were drinking before, during or after shooting?Bringing police ordnance ( cool toys) to a cottage and engaging in burning ammo and alcohol together with the public.
Aard -- yes, the system did come through but through the DA's office, not the PD. He wasn't fired, he resigned. The PD put him on "administrative leave" (paid possibly?). And he had the temerity to file a suit against the victim which was dismissed.
What i put forth is:
a. Cops should be as trustworthy as much possibly considering their extraordinary power over a citizen's life. They are not. They will lie as easily as a sociopathic criminal would to cover up.
b. US cops are out of control. Either poor training, poor screening in the first place, mental issues, whatever. This is resulting in people being killed or viciously beaten and millions in payouts being made.
c. The Blue Line is real.
d. No video evidence = citizen is screwed.
That's all.
What i put forth is:
a. Cops should be as trustworthy as much possibly considering their extraordinary power over a citizen's life. They are not. They will lie as easily as a sociopathic criminal would to cover up.
b. US cops are out of control. Either poor training, poor screening in the first place, mental issues, whatever. This is resulting in people being killed or viciously beaten and millions in payouts being made.
c. The Blue Line is real.
d. No video evidence = citizen is screwed.
That's all.
