Never Talk To The Police

[Aardvark154]

Serpent not only are you jumping the gun. But there is one hell of a lot of difference between a police officer with numerous incidents of discipline in his service record and who was in direct violation of NYPD policy and a police officer with an exemplary service record.

I haven't bothered to look at your knife video. But will merely ask have you ever gone through a shoot-don't shoot edged weapons exercise. One of our law enforcement agencies provided us the opportunity and it truly gives you a new perspective.

 

[danmand]

Well it all depends upon whether the "lotta beers" were before or after the "lotta ammo" doesn't it now?

Not really.

 

[Aardvark154]

Not really.

Yeah really!

 

[Aardvark154]

There are two types of cops

Those who are up to no good.
Those who do nothing and stand by while those who are up to no good act that way. Considering it is their job it makes it worse they man the blue wall of silence.

Do I suspect that your experience has never been outside a major metropolitan area?

 

[danmand]

Yeah really!

I said that quite a few people would see that as an example of bad cops.


In your world all cops are good, anything the US Government says is the truth, and the benefit of doubt always falls to authorities. Lawyers papered every single law and decrete of the third reich, as well as of stalins rule.

 

[basketcase]

I used to have lots of issues with cops including being stopped 'randomly'. Some time in my early 20's I stopped hanging around with thugs and dropped the attitude. The most serious hassle I've had since was a cop annoyed I blew 0 at a ride stop.

 

[basketcase]

I've never been arrested or ticketed but cops are out of control in the US (here: like any other unionized shop: inefficent and lazy).


These are just three i know of and three that made it to youtube. Imagine how many beatings and murders cops have committed knowing nobody was looking.

It's insane abuse of authority.

What's insane is that out of a million+ cops working hundreds of millions of hours per year people think that the few reported incidents are statistically significant. Obviously it sucks for the victims when it happens but it is hardly 'out of control'.

 

[Aardvark154]

I said that quite a few people would see that as an example of bad cops.

Why?

Going to the firing range and then sitting back and drinking some beers is a sign of being bad police?

In your world all cops are good, anything the US Government says is the truth, and the benefit of doubt always falls to authorities.

Most police are good it is the distinct minority who are bad apples, most of the time the Government does tell the truth, and yes in Anglo-Saxon society we do tend to give our governments the benefit of the doubt.

If you truly believe Canada and the U.S. are so horrible, may I suggest that you need to spend some time in Russia or Ukraine or Central Asia or South Asia or Southeast Asia or China let alone Africa.

 

[danmand]

Going to the firing range and then sitting back and drinking some beers is a sign of being bad police?

Bringing police ordnance ( cool toys) to a cottage and engaging in burning ammo and alcohol together with the public.

Most police are good it is the distinct minority who are bad apples, most of the time the Government does tell the truth, and yes in Anglo-Saxon society we do tend to give our governments the benefit of the doubt.

That is a mistake.

If you truly believe Canada and the U.S. are so horrible, may I suggest that you need to spend some time in Russia or Ukraine or Central Asia or South Asia or Southeast Asia or China let alone Africa.

I have. However, I am not satisfied by our police being better than LE in Somalia.

 

[Titalian]

thanks for showing up shack, to play your usual 'statistics' card - the ultimate in no-win debate tactics for trolls. Your question is like asking 'what is the meaning of life?' or 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin'. One day you'll learn that there is almost no bigger pile of meaningless bullshit than statistics.

lol!!

 

[Babypowder]

So I guess when you will NEED a Police Officer who won't TALK to them?

Proud Grandson of a Police Officer
Proud Father in Law of a Police Officer

when they NEED an officer they are going to talk to them. they are using a service that they PAY for. When being trolled for any random infraction best bet is to stay quiet innocent or guilty. its one of the RIGHTS that the police SWORE to UPHOLD

 

[Babypowder]

There are two types of cops

Those who are up to no good.
Those who do nothing and stand by while those who are up to no good act that way. Considering it is their job it makes it worse they man the blue wall of silence.

exactly this

 

[Titalian]

Yeah, never let facts get in the way of a good argument, right?

As my hair gains more salt than pepper, I've learned not to question the opinions of those formed from experience. I assume your views are the product of your experiences interacting with the police?

That's cool.

ive had good experiences with LE. I work closely with a certain department because of my job. They're not always the quickest, most driven or as aggressive as I would like. But, they work hard and they're fair. I respect that.

My buddy's brother in law is a cop in western Ontario. We hang out from time to time. Last year we went to my buddy's cottage and half a dozen cop buddies showed up. One of them was the armourer for their service and brought some cool toys. We went though a lotta beers and ammo that weekend.

Oh excellent, and this is your so called good experience with LE. Drinking beer and shooting off guns in the woods, how enlightening.
OH well, now I've completely changed my position about LE.

 

[Serpent]

No I haven't gone through any such exercise. But I'm very clear in my mind that cops in the US are dangerous. They overreact. I was with a friend in Northern California and during rush hour, there was a traffic incident on the freeway and a CHP cruiser came up behind him and sounded the siren for him to pull over. He didn't understand rolled forward slowly.

He was pulled over and the cop thrust his red face into the car and started SCREAMING at him. My friend was very polite and mutedly said he was trying to think what to do because he got confused. The cop continued screaming "DON'T THINK.....JUST DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO!". If we had shown any attitude, he'd have booked us. I'm positive of it.

In that NYPD video, as you know. That's an illegal hold against their own policy.

These people have control issues, not necessarily just racism.

Here's the BART shooting video:

 

[Serpent]

Cop beating up a handcuffed suspect. He went to jail for 18 months.

These people need help and therapy before they're let loose on the streets.

 

[Serpent]

And here's a NYPD cop beating up a veteran and then lying about it:

I could go on and on and on and on about this.

Cops need help and counseling. They're not serving and protecting if the bad seed are terrorizing people. They should be screened for violent personalities and control issues.

 

[Serpent]

Why?

Going to the firing range and then sitting back and drinking some beers is a sign of being bad police?


Most police are good it is the distinct minority who are bad apples, most of the time the Government does tell the truth, and yes in Anglo-Saxon society we do tend to give our governments the benefit of the doubt.

If you truly believe Canada and the U.S. are so horrible, may I suggest that you need to spend some time in Russia or Ukraine or Central Asia or South Asia or Southeast Asia or China let alone Africa.

That is very much lowering the bar if we give Governments and cops here in US and Canada the license to lie and perform extra-judicial killings and beatings because "it's not as bad" as some of the worst shitholes on the planet.

 

[basketcase]

No I haven't gone through any such exercise. But I'm very clear in my mind that cops in the US are dangerous. They overreact. I was with a friend in Northern California and during rush hour, there was a traffic incident on the freeway and a CHP cruiser came up behind him and sounded the siren for him to pull over. He didn't understand rolled forward slowly.
...

In what jurisdiction does a police car (or ambulance or firetruck) with sirens not mean to pull over? It would have been possible for your friend to be charged. The fact that he wasn't means the cop was reacting reasonably.

 

[Serpent]

He pulled over but not fast enough. Actually, I think he was asking for him to move over to a side to make way or something.

Good thing we were in a BMW, not black and between us making half a million. I don't know what he'd have done.

 

[Occasionally]

It's hard to believe people don't understand what it means when a vehicle with sirens on means (police car, fire truck, ambulance). It means move over, they want to get through. When it's jam packed, they even honk their loud horn if people are sitting there. If it's a cop car and they end up still trailing you directly, it means they want you to pull over as you're the one they are interested in.

Common sense.

What moron would just sit there driving normal with a vehicle behind them blasting sirens? But there's always a few. Typically, you'll see 99% of the cars slowly edge to the side and let them through, but some reason you have that one car that just sits there blocking their lane.