As a person who had a family member seriously injured by a drunk driver year ago I have NO problem being stopped by a RIDE Program. If it keeps ONE drunk off the road it's done its job. A lot of the members on this board seem to have a genuine dislike of authority figures bordering on paranoia. It's OK to put down, hate, the Police until,you NEED one!
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lolAs a person who had a family member seriously injured by a drunk driver year ago I have NO problem being stopped by a RIDE Program. If it keeps ONE drunk off the road it's done its job. A lot of the members on this board seem to have a genuine dislike of authority figures bordering on paranoia. It's OK to put down, hate, the Police until,you NEED one!
Considering so many don't like cops, they wouldn't call them thinking they would take the other side and join in on taking advantage of you.
Instead, they'd prefer doing the manly thing and pulling out a gun and settling it themselves with their zero training on firearms.
Which is entirely different than mindlessly repeating am I under arrest, am I free to go.A typical scenario where a person is informed of his rights: Cops pull man over. Man says "what crime am I suspected of committing?" Cop says "Soliciting Prostitution. You better work with us and we'll go easier on you." Man says "I'd like to exercise my right to remain silent." Cops can't possibly have evidence of what went on in hotel and can't charge person. Bye.
The most likely scenario to enforce C-36 will be through "sting" operations; you enter a new incall (conveniently close to a church or a school to increase the penalty), then as soon as you hand the money, cops will jump up onto you, everything taped to make it easy for the law enforcers to prove beyond reasonable doubt
Then: Am I free to go? ---> NO, you are not
Am I under arrest? ----> Yes sir, you are
EDIT: you might even end as "guest star" in a COPS episode
Then: Am I free to go? ---> NO, you are not
Am I under arrest? ----> Yes sir, you are
EDIT: you might even end as "guest star" in a COPS episode
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This is a possible scenario but very unlikely I would think. It would be a waste of resources and would accomplish nothing useful. It would not help any victim or remove any exploitive pimp. Most clients are arrested during stings on the street. On these occasion, police respond to a real problem where prostitution is bothering people and disrupting a neighborhood. These are the two main priorities of LE, rescuing victims and keeping the peace. They might do it in places where police have a strong moral agenda, but I'd be surprised if we saw this in Toronto or Montreal.
Cops Gone Wild
August 15, 2014| Categories: Articles & Columns| Tags: militarized police, Police, police state, | Print This Article
Paul Craig Roberts
Update: I have received four or five emails from readers who complain that the person in the photo, which is a photo taken from media accounts, is not the person who the cops murdered in Ferguson.
Why does it matter? The photo shows three oversized cops pointing military weapons at point blank range at a black kid with his hands up. Any one of the cops unarmed could have restrained the kid. The photo demonstrates that the police are trained to use excessive force.
The emails I received demonstrate the inability both emotionally and rationally of many Americans to deal with reality. They try to hide from reality by claiming that Ferguson’s size threatened the police, who were justified in shooting him. Hiding from reality is the refuge of no-think Americans. Most of the “exceptional people” can be found hiding there.
The right-wing Republican “law and order” conservatives who are defending the police murder deeply believe that they are threatened not by the federal governments destruction of their constitutional protections, but by dark-skinned “minorities.” They believe, unlike America’s founding fathers, that the government and its police force are what makes them safe.
This belief dooms Americans.
Ferguson, Mo. is a small overwhelmingly black town whose government and police are white. The Ferguson police murdered an 18 year old black male who had his hands over his head. If you take a look at the photo of the three goon thugs pointing military rifles at point blank range at the kid with his hands up, when any one of the over-sized goons unarmed could have restrained the kid, you can understand how excessive police force results in abuse and murder of citizens.
There is no question that the black community in Ferguson regards Michael Brown’s death as murder. But will it be covered up by the white government and the white police force if protests are limited to the black small town population of Ferguson? As this report suggests, there is good reason to fear a coverup in Ferguson: http://rt.com/usa/180680-ferguson-henry-davis-blood/
There is another astonishing aspect to the murder. Unarmed protesters in Ferguson are confronting a small town police force that is as well or better armed than America’s combat troops on battlefields in countries invaded by Washington. The only reason there is any trouble in Ferguson is that the cops murdered in cold blood a person without cause or justification, and the black community thinks that the white murderer will be given a pass by the white government. The part-time black US Attorney General, Eric Holder, has not sent in the Feds to investigate.
It is not only in Ferguson that goon thug cops murder people and they don’t murder only blacks. Whites get it also. There are a huge number of murders by police in “the home of liberty and democracy.” During the course of Washington’s war in Iraq, American police murdered more innocent American civilians than America lost troops in the war!
The American police murder so many civilians that it would take several thick volumes to record the police atrocities. The ones mentioned in this article are merely among the most recent that are reported.
The Atlanta-Journal Constitution reports that a white 37-year old woman having a reaction to prescribed medication tried to call 911 for help but got instead a police goon thug who shot her dead up against the wall in her own bedroom. The police have put out the fake story that the woman in medical distress threatened the goon thug with a weapon.
The newspaper reports that the woman’s husband also called 911, but fails to report that the husband said that he was headed home and would see that the emergency was dealt with only medically and not to send any police. But the goon thugs couldn’t miss the opportunity to murder another innocent American civilian.
Police victims have no rights, and in the vast majority of cases neither do the families of the murdered police victims. Compensation to the families of murdered police victims is rare as is accountability for the police murderers. In America a police badge is a license to murder.
During the past decade, perhaps longer, the federal government has systematically militarized local and state police forces in all 50 states. The police have been trained by federally contracted trainers to regard the American public as the enemy. The police are trained that they must not take the risk of encountering members of the public on a trusting basis, but must regard the public as armed and determined to murder the police.
I have observed on a number of occasions fully militarily equipped police training by 30 of them lining up and emptying high capacity magazines at the same target. Like most small towns in America, Doraville, Georgia, population 8,500, has a SWAT team armed with the weapons of the US military.
Congress should hold hearings to determine which federal budget was used to train state and local police to murder Americans. America has been at war for 13 years at vast costs against Muslims deemed to be a threat to our safety; yet American police have murdered more Americans than we lost in the Iraq war.
We need to discover who trained our police to murder us, and we must hold both the criminals responsible for the “training” and the criminals in the government who financed the “training.”
The most fatal mistake that any American can make is to call the police.
With permission I republish my contribution to the summer issue of Gerald Celente’s Trends Journal:
Police Violence Against The Public Soars
In the 1960s, there was an effort in New York City to establish a civilian police review board. Complaints about police violence and harassment of black New Yorkers had grown to the point that the reality of the problem was obvious. New York Mayor John Lindsay was amenable, but conservatives led by William F. Buckley and the police rose up in arms. The conservative media called the police review board “the property of bleeding hearts and cop-haters.” Fear-mongering was used to rally white voters, who were told that the review board would coddle criminals, demoralize the police, and lead to an upsurge in crime.
Mayor Lindsay established a review board by executive order, but rising opposition forced the supporters of the review board to put it to a vote. Fear had done its job, and the review board was abolished by a vote of 63 percent against and 36 percent in favor. This from “liberal New York.”
In the half-century that has passed, gratuitous police violence has spread to the public in general. Today it is not only blacks and Hispanics who experience police brutality. Everyone suffers from it. Being white is no longer a protection. In a recent column, “Call the Cops at Your Peril,” I reported a few of the recent atrocities police have committed against the public. Ninety-three-year-old Pearlie Golden was shot down in her front yard in Hearne, Texas. In Miami, 23 police officers fired 377 bullets, literally blowing away two men trapped inside a wrecked car. The police were under no threat whatsoever from the 93-year-old woman or from the two men trapped inside a wrecked car. In Cornelia, Georgia, a SWAT team made a no-knock entry at 3 a.m. and threw a concussion grenade into a baby’s crib. The grenade blew up in the baby’s face, leaving him disfigured, unable to breathe without a ventilator, and with a 50 percent chance of survival. According to the Atlanta Constitution-Journal, the raid produced no drugs, no weapons, no bundles of cash, and no suspected drug dealer. It was just another of the thousands of mistakes routinely made by SWAT goons who put American citizens at risk every time they break unannounced into a home, usually a wrong address.
New tactic: Kill the dog
A police favorite is to murder the family’s pets. When the Middletons, ranchers in Rains County, Texas, called the sheriff’s department to report a burglary of their home and the theft of firearms, the first thing the deputy did when he arrived was to shoot the Middleton’s three-year-old, 40-pound Australian cattle dog, Candy, in the head. In Prince George’s County, Maryland, cops on a mistaken drug raid broke into the mayor’s home and murdered his two non-aggressive black Labradors while holding the mayor and his mother-in-law at gun point.
Another police favorite is to humiliate their arrested victim, especially women, by stripping them naked. The abuse of women has become routine. In a recent case, a 31-year-old white mother of four in New Albany, Indiana, was arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after a fight with her estranged husband. In police parlance, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest mean that the woman protested the false arrest and raised her voice. As most Americans have no idea about the police, they are shocked and disbelieving when they experience a police encounter. Until they have an encounter with the police, they are big supporters of the police. Unable to believe what was happening to her, she was stripped of her clothing by two male and two female cops, paraded around the jail naked in front of the police, and thrown naked into a cell. She became hysterical as a result of this treatment. Enjoying their torment of their victim, the cops pepper sprayed her. The county sheriff said that he does not believe jail policies or procedures were violated. In other words, the sheriff admitted that abuse, humiliation and excessive use of force are routine. http://www.infowars.com/cops-strip-parade-pepper-spray-woman-and-lock-her-in-cell-for-7-hours/ Also: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/tabitha-gentry/
As I write, I googled “videos of US police brutality” and 7,660,000 results appeared in 0.31 seconds. There are more cases of gratuitous police violence, almost always against the innocent, than a person can absorb in a lifetime. Police body slam elderly infirm people, taser cripples in wheel chairs, pepper spray, taser, and mace kids, young women, and mothers with babes in their arms. Just the other day police shot and killed a 13-year-old kid who was walking down the street with a toy rifle doing no harm to anyone. Only the goon cops regarded the 13-year-old as a threat. The goon cops simply couldn’t let the opportunity pass to experience the thrill of killing a person.
August 15, 2014| Categories: Articles & Columns| Tags: militarized police, Police, police state, | Print This Article
Paul Craig Roberts
Update: I have received four or five emails from readers who complain that the person in the photo, which is a photo taken from media accounts, is not the person who the cops murdered in Ferguson.
Why does it matter? The photo shows three oversized cops pointing military weapons at point blank range at a black kid with his hands up. Any one of the cops unarmed could have restrained the kid. The photo demonstrates that the police are trained to use excessive force.
The emails I received demonstrate the inability both emotionally and rationally of many Americans to deal with reality. They try to hide from reality by claiming that Ferguson’s size threatened the police, who were justified in shooting him. Hiding from reality is the refuge of no-think Americans. Most of the “exceptional people” can be found hiding there.
The right-wing Republican “law and order” conservatives who are defending the police murder deeply believe that they are threatened not by the federal governments destruction of their constitutional protections, but by dark-skinned “minorities.” They believe, unlike America’s founding fathers, that the government and its police force are what makes them safe.
This belief dooms Americans.
Ferguson, Mo. is a small overwhelmingly black town whose government and police are white. The Ferguson police murdered an 18 year old black male who had his hands over his head. If you take a look at the photo of the three goon thugs pointing military rifles at point blank range at the kid with his hands up, when any one of the over-sized goons unarmed could have restrained the kid, you can understand how excessive police force results in abuse and murder of citizens.
There is no question that the black community in Ferguson regards Michael Brown’s death as murder. But will it be covered up by the white government and the white police force if protests are limited to the black small town population of Ferguson? As this report suggests, there is good reason to fear a coverup in Ferguson: http://rt.com/usa/180680-ferguson-henry-davis-blood/
There is another astonishing aspect to the murder. Unarmed protesters in Ferguson are confronting a small town police force that is as well or better armed than America’s combat troops on battlefields in countries invaded by Washington. The only reason there is any trouble in Ferguson is that the cops murdered in cold blood a person without cause or justification, and the black community thinks that the white murderer will be given a pass by the white government. The part-time black US Attorney General, Eric Holder, has not sent in the Feds to investigate.
It is not only in Ferguson that goon thug cops murder people and they don’t murder only blacks. Whites get it also. There are a huge number of murders by police in “the home of liberty and democracy.” During the course of Washington’s war in Iraq, American police murdered more innocent American civilians than America lost troops in the war!
The American police murder so many civilians that it would take several thick volumes to record the police atrocities. The ones mentioned in this article are merely among the most recent that are reported.
The Atlanta-Journal Constitution reports that a white 37-year old woman having a reaction to prescribed medication tried to call 911 for help but got instead a police goon thug who shot her dead up against the wall in her own bedroom. The police have put out the fake story that the woman in medical distress threatened the goon thug with a weapon.
The newspaper reports that the woman’s husband also called 911, but fails to report that the husband said that he was headed home and would see that the emergency was dealt with only medically and not to send any police. But the goon thugs couldn’t miss the opportunity to murder another innocent American civilian.
Police victims have no rights, and in the vast majority of cases neither do the families of the murdered police victims. Compensation to the families of murdered police victims is rare as is accountability for the police murderers. In America a police badge is a license to murder.
During the past decade, perhaps longer, the federal government has systematically militarized local and state police forces in all 50 states. The police have been trained by federally contracted trainers to regard the American public as the enemy. The police are trained that they must not take the risk of encountering members of the public on a trusting basis, but must regard the public as armed and determined to murder the police.
I have observed on a number of occasions fully militarily equipped police training by 30 of them lining up and emptying high capacity magazines at the same target. Like most small towns in America, Doraville, Georgia, population 8,500, has a SWAT team armed with the weapons of the US military.
Congress should hold hearings to determine which federal budget was used to train state and local police to murder Americans. America has been at war for 13 years at vast costs against Muslims deemed to be a threat to our safety; yet American police have murdered more Americans than we lost in the Iraq war.
We need to discover who trained our police to murder us, and we must hold both the criminals responsible for the “training” and the criminals in the government who financed the “training.”
The most fatal mistake that any American can make is to call the police.
With permission I republish my contribution to the summer issue of Gerald Celente’s Trends Journal:
Police Violence Against The Public Soars
In the 1960s, there was an effort in New York City to establish a civilian police review board. Complaints about police violence and harassment of black New Yorkers had grown to the point that the reality of the problem was obvious. New York Mayor John Lindsay was amenable, but conservatives led by William F. Buckley and the police rose up in arms. The conservative media called the police review board “the property of bleeding hearts and cop-haters.” Fear-mongering was used to rally white voters, who were told that the review board would coddle criminals, demoralize the police, and lead to an upsurge in crime.
Mayor Lindsay established a review board by executive order, but rising opposition forced the supporters of the review board to put it to a vote. Fear had done its job, and the review board was abolished by a vote of 63 percent against and 36 percent in favor. This from “liberal New York.”
In the half-century that has passed, gratuitous police violence has spread to the public in general. Today it is not only blacks and Hispanics who experience police brutality. Everyone suffers from it. Being white is no longer a protection. In a recent column, “Call the Cops at Your Peril,” I reported a few of the recent atrocities police have committed against the public. Ninety-three-year-old Pearlie Golden was shot down in her front yard in Hearne, Texas. In Miami, 23 police officers fired 377 bullets, literally blowing away two men trapped inside a wrecked car. The police were under no threat whatsoever from the 93-year-old woman or from the two men trapped inside a wrecked car. In Cornelia, Georgia, a SWAT team made a no-knock entry at 3 a.m. and threw a concussion grenade into a baby’s crib. The grenade blew up in the baby’s face, leaving him disfigured, unable to breathe without a ventilator, and with a 50 percent chance of survival. According to the Atlanta Constitution-Journal, the raid produced no drugs, no weapons, no bundles of cash, and no suspected drug dealer. It was just another of the thousands of mistakes routinely made by SWAT goons who put American citizens at risk every time they break unannounced into a home, usually a wrong address.
New tactic: Kill the dog
A police favorite is to murder the family’s pets. When the Middletons, ranchers in Rains County, Texas, called the sheriff’s department to report a burglary of their home and the theft of firearms, the first thing the deputy did when he arrived was to shoot the Middleton’s three-year-old, 40-pound Australian cattle dog, Candy, in the head. In Prince George’s County, Maryland, cops on a mistaken drug raid broke into the mayor’s home and murdered his two non-aggressive black Labradors while holding the mayor and his mother-in-law at gun point.
Another police favorite is to humiliate their arrested victim, especially women, by stripping them naked. The abuse of women has become routine. In a recent case, a 31-year-old white mother of four in New Albany, Indiana, was arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after a fight with her estranged husband. In police parlance, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest mean that the woman protested the false arrest and raised her voice. As most Americans have no idea about the police, they are shocked and disbelieving when they experience a police encounter. Until they have an encounter with the police, they are big supporters of the police. Unable to believe what was happening to her, she was stripped of her clothing by two male and two female cops, paraded around the jail naked in front of the police, and thrown naked into a cell. She became hysterical as a result of this treatment. Enjoying their torment of their victim, the cops pepper sprayed her. The county sheriff said that he does not believe jail policies or procedures were violated. In other words, the sheriff admitted that abuse, humiliation and excessive use of force are routine. http://www.infowars.com/cops-strip-parade-pepper-spray-woman-and-lock-her-in-cell-for-7-hours/ Also: http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/tabitha-gentry/
As I write, I googled “videos of US police brutality” and 7,660,000 results appeared in 0.31 seconds. There are more cases of gratuitous police violence, almost always against the innocent, than a person can absorb in a lifetime. Police body slam elderly infirm people, taser cripples in wheel chairs, pepper spray, taser, and mace kids, young women, and mothers with babes in their arms. Just the other day police shot and killed a 13-year-old kid who was walking down the street with a toy rifle doing no harm to anyone. Only the goon cops regarded the 13-year-old as a threat. The goon cops simply couldn’t let the opportunity pass to experience the thrill of killing a person.
We see the same thing in the US military video released by Bradley Manning of the US helicopter gunship murdering journalists and citizens walking peacefully along a street and then murdering a father with two babies who stopped to help the wounded. Nothing happened to the murderers, but Bradley Manning was imprisoned for telling on them.
We are at the point that the police try to murder teenagers making out in a parked car. http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/06/no_author/cop-shoots-teenage-couple/
We have become a killer society, and the US government is the world’s leading killer.
Who’s the real danger
The cases of gratuitous police violence against the public are so numerous that it is impossible to report on them. All that can be done is to categorize them into types. The conclusion is that the police are a far greater danger to the public than are criminals.
Moreover, the police are unaccountable. They can murder with impunity, but if you even accidentally or reflexively touch one of them, it is off to prison with you if you survive the beating. Cecily McMillan, about whom I recently wrote, was an Occupy protester. Her breasts were seized from behind by a cop. Reflexively, her elbow came up as she swung around and her elbow hit the cop. Recently a cowardly or corrupt jury, egged on by a corrupt judge and prosecutor, found her guilty of assaulting an officer and she was sentenced to prison. Nothing happened to the cop who sexually assaulted and falsely arrested her.
Prosecutors are interested in convictions, not justice. Prosecutors routinely indict the innocent on the basis of the false charges brought by police, and judges often are complicit in the false convictions. No honest prosecutor would have brought the case against Cecily McMillan. Her trial was a political trial, and her conviction was a foregone conclusion. The purpose was to send the message that regardless of constitutional rights, protests against the Establishment are not permitted. The judge guaranteed her conviction by ruling that no evidence of the injury to her breast could be presented in her defense and that the jurors could not be informed of the arresting officer’s record of excessive use of force and abuse of citizens. The jury was unwilling to stand up for an innocent person. Instead of serving justice, the jury served the corrupt purpose of the police state. See http://www.opednews.com/articles/Th...millan_Jury_Justice_Political-140603-414.html and http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/21/justice-dead-amerika/
Whatever the police do, seldom do they suffer any consequences. As a result they have become more bold and more violent. Any encounter with the American police is a dangerous one.
The “war on terror” has removed any remaining constraints on police. The federal government has militarized state and local police and equipped them as if they were a military force. The police are trained to regard the public as a danger and to take no risk with their lives when confronting citizens. The police are taught that politely asking questions in order to arrive at an assessment of a situation could expose them to danger and that they should avoid all risk to themselves by dominating the situation with force just as an army or marine unit would do when confronting an enemy.
I have witnessed training exercises at which 30 police officers line up and empty high capacity magazines at the same target. We are talking about 450 shots in a few seconds at one head-sized target. It was this type of training that resulted in 23 cops pouring 377 bullets into two men in Miami, one of whom was totally innocent of any charges.
Armed for daily battle
SWAT teams have become ubiquitous and they are armed with tanks, with MRAPs (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Armored Fighting Vehicles), and BearCat Ballistic Engineered Armored Response Counter Attack Trucks. These military vehicles are in routine use, and the SWAT team breaking down your door has replaced the policeman knocking to present a summons. http://rt.com/usa/164816-american-police-militarization-war/
It once was the case that joining the police force implied low-level risk. An officer could, and occasionally did, die in performing his duty. Today no level of risk is acceptable for police. Therefore, all risk has been shifted to the public anytime members of the public have encounters, mistaken or not, with the police. Consequently, police kill far more innocent members of the public than criminals kill police. The police have become like Wall Street and the federal government. The police serve no public interest.
When I was growing up in the forties and fifties, we understood that the police force attracted bullies because of the power of the badge, but unlike today the police did not have carte blanche. In the forties and fifties the American people had not been reduced to powerlessness or to the sheeple that they are today. Newspapers were still independently owned and served as a constraint on police power. Blacks did not always get this protection, but in large southern cities, such as Atlanta, where Ralph McGill was editor and publisher of the Atlanta Constitution, blacks, too, had the protection of the press. I remember the first civil rights march in Atlanta. There were no police and no dogs set on the marchers. I know because I was there.
Bullies were one thing, but there was not the hostility toward the public that is ingrained in police training today. Standing up for one’s constitutional rights in a police encounter today is a perfect way to enrage a bully whose authority is questioned. The likely result is a beating and arrest. Subservience is the easiest way to survive a police encounter. You might be a brain surgeon or a former high government official and the cop might be someone who barely made it out of high school. But if you want to get out of it without damage to your body and charges on your record, act like a peasant confronted by a baron, earl or duke centuries ago. This is America today.
Anything else and you might be history.
So, are police review boards the answer? Apparently not. In 1993, 27 years after New York Mayor Lindsay’s failed attempt to impose some accountability on police, Mayor David Dinkins established the largely powerless Civilian Complaint Review Board. The police rose up in opposition and were egged on by Rudy Giuliani, who when he became mayor gave the police carte blanche. White New Yorkers applauded Giuliani. Finally, they were safe again — as long as they did not have a run-in with the police or the SWAT team didn’t go to the wrong address, perhaps a more likely occurrence than a criminal showing up at the door.
A number of cities today have review boards. Some have powers. Most don’t. Even those with powers have been made hesitant to use them. When terror is such a threat that the country remains on Orange Alert, one step below Red Alert, for years, only a terrorist-loving liberal-pinko-commie would want to restrain the police.
As long as the US remains in the hands of the Establishment, police review boards will be ineffective. Wikipedia reports that in 2006, eight years ago, the NY Civilian Complaint Review Board received 7,699 complaints, approximately 6% resulted in a “substantiated disposition.” In other words, 94% of the cases went nowhere.
The police have been set loose on us by “law and order” conservatives and by the “war on terror.” The police are doing us far more damage than are the criminals and the terrorists.
It remains to be seen whether Americans survive their police.
In the meantime the sheeple will continue to pay the salaries of those who pose the greatest threat to them.
We are at the point that the police try to murder teenagers making out in a parked car. http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/06/no_author/cop-shoots-teenage-couple/
We have become a killer society, and the US government is the world’s leading killer.
Who’s the real danger
The cases of gratuitous police violence against the public are so numerous that it is impossible to report on them. All that can be done is to categorize them into types. The conclusion is that the police are a far greater danger to the public than are criminals.
Moreover, the police are unaccountable. They can murder with impunity, but if you even accidentally or reflexively touch one of them, it is off to prison with you if you survive the beating. Cecily McMillan, about whom I recently wrote, was an Occupy protester. Her breasts were seized from behind by a cop. Reflexively, her elbow came up as she swung around and her elbow hit the cop. Recently a cowardly or corrupt jury, egged on by a corrupt judge and prosecutor, found her guilty of assaulting an officer and she was sentenced to prison. Nothing happened to the cop who sexually assaulted and falsely arrested her.
Prosecutors are interested in convictions, not justice. Prosecutors routinely indict the innocent on the basis of the false charges brought by police, and judges often are complicit in the false convictions. No honest prosecutor would have brought the case against Cecily McMillan. Her trial was a political trial, and her conviction was a foregone conclusion. The purpose was to send the message that regardless of constitutional rights, protests against the Establishment are not permitted. The judge guaranteed her conviction by ruling that no evidence of the injury to her breast could be presented in her defense and that the jurors could not be informed of the arresting officer’s record of excessive use of force and abuse of citizens. The jury was unwilling to stand up for an innocent person. Instead of serving justice, the jury served the corrupt purpose of the police state. See http://www.opednews.com/articles/Th...millan_Jury_Justice_Political-140603-414.html and http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/05/21/justice-dead-amerika/
Whatever the police do, seldom do they suffer any consequences. As a result they have become more bold and more violent. Any encounter with the American police is a dangerous one.
The “war on terror” has removed any remaining constraints on police. The federal government has militarized state and local police and equipped them as if they were a military force. The police are trained to regard the public as a danger and to take no risk with their lives when confronting citizens. The police are taught that politely asking questions in order to arrive at an assessment of a situation could expose them to danger and that they should avoid all risk to themselves by dominating the situation with force just as an army or marine unit would do when confronting an enemy.
I have witnessed training exercises at which 30 police officers line up and empty high capacity magazines at the same target. We are talking about 450 shots in a few seconds at one head-sized target. It was this type of training that resulted in 23 cops pouring 377 bullets into two men in Miami, one of whom was totally innocent of any charges.
Armed for daily battle
SWAT teams have become ubiquitous and they are armed with tanks, with MRAPs (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Armored Fighting Vehicles), and BearCat Ballistic Engineered Armored Response Counter Attack Trucks. These military vehicles are in routine use, and the SWAT team breaking down your door has replaced the policeman knocking to present a summons. http://rt.com/usa/164816-american-police-militarization-war/
It once was the case that joining the police force implied low-level risk. An officer could, and occasionally did, die in performing his duty. Today no level of risk is acceptable for police. Therefore, all risk has been shifted to the public anytime members of the public have encounters, mistaken or not, with the police. Consequently, police kill far more innocent members of the public than criminals kill police. The police have become like Wall Street and the federal government. The police serve no public interest.
When I was growing up in the forties and fifties, we understood that the police force attracted bullies because of the power of the badge, but unlike today the police did not have carte blanche. In the forties and fifties the American people had not been reduced to powerlessness or to the sheeple that they are today. Newspapers were still independently owned and served as a constraint on police power. Blacks did not always get this protection, but in large southern cities, such as Atlanta, where Ralph McGill was editor and publisher of the Atlanta Constitution, blacks, too, had the protection of the press. I remember the first civil rights march in Atlanta. There were no police and no dogs set on the marchers. I know because I was there.
Bullies were one thing, but there was not the hostility toward the public that is ingrained in police training today. Standing up for one’s constitutional rights in a police encounter today is a perfect way to enrage a bully whose authority is questioned. The likely result is a beating and arrest. Subservience is the easiest way to survive a police encounter. You might be a brain surgeon or a former high government official and the cop might be someone who barely made it out of high school. But if you want to get out of it without damage to your body and charges on your record, act like a peasant confronted by a baron, earl or duke centuries ago. This is America today.
Anything else and you might be history.
So, are police review boards the answer? Apparently not. In 1993, 27 years after New York Mayor Lindsay’s failed attempt to impose some accountability on police, Mayor David Dinkins established the largely powerless Civilian Complaint Review Board. The police rose up in opposition and were egged on by Rudy Giuliani, who when he became mayor gave the police carte blanche. White New Yorkers applauded Giuliani. Finally, they were safe again — as long as they did not have a run-in with the police or the SWAT team didn’t go to the wrong address, perhaps a more likely occurrence than a criminal showing up at the door.
A number of cities today have review boards. Some have powers. Most don’t. Even those with powers have been made hesitant to use them. When terror is such a threat that the country remains on Orange Alert, one step below Red Alert, for years, only a terrorist-loving liberal-pinko-commie would want to restrain the police.
As long as the US remains in the hands of the Establishment, police review boards will be ineffective. Wikipedia reports that in 2006, eight years ago, the NY Civilian Complaint Review Board received 7,699 complaints, approximately 6% resulted in a “substantiated disposition.” In other words, 94% of the cases went nowhere.
The police have been set loose on us by “law and order” conservatives and by the “war on terror.” The police are doing us far more damage than are the criminals and the terrorists.
It remains to be seen whether Americans survive their police.
In the meantime the sheeple will continue to pay the salaries of those who pose the greatest threat to them.
How can this be true? If Canadians reacted this way it would make national headlines, because it is "gun" news. Everyone in this country who has a gun must be licensed and take safety courses to qualify for that license, as far as I understand things anyway. Police, or the military, may be better trained in the daily use of firearms, and perhaps the laws that govern their use, but I don't believe they are superior to anyone else in making better decisions on when and if they are to use a weapon.Instead, they'd prefer doing the manly thing and pulling out a gun and settling it themselves with their zero training on firearms.
Any statistics to back up your assertions or just your intuition. Of all police interactions with the public, in what percentage do the cops act improperly?Look who's naive now.
Thanks for showing up shack, to play your usual 'statistics' card - the ultimate in no-win debate tactics for trolls. Your question is like asking 'What is the meaning of life?' or 'How many angels can dance on the head of a pin'. One day you'll learn that there is almost no bigger pile of meaningless bullshit than statistics.Any statistics to back up your assertions or just your intuition. Of all police interactions with the public, in what percentage do the cops act improperly?
Have always been a law and order guy since I finished school and started my career. Lately though I am disappointed with law enforcement. When this C36 becomes law I can see them devoting resources to it that could be used much more appropriately elsewhere. I am sure it will be the relatively work they seem to prefer. I see riffraff on the streets doing all manner of objectionable things and nada from the police. Get them out of their air conditioned cars and walking a beat.
I have found police to be completely useless on property crimes. I was pickpocketed at a Toronto bar/restaurant. Loss totalled around $3,000 after credit card use. The manager informed me that that the perpetrator was clearly identifiable on the establishment's video footage. I filed a police report and spoke to the police several times. The manager would only provide the video to the police but I could not get anyone from Toronto Police to collect it. One officer suggested that I provide a thumb drive and wait at the restaurant for another officer officer to arrive. I was actually willing to do this however they could not give me a time outside a 6 hour window. Unacceptable. Later I filed an access request to see what investigation they did. The answer was absolutely nothing. Every time I see one of them sitting in a car doing nothing it burns me.
The second thing that annoys me is the self righteous attitude on traffic stops. Chastising me on highway 7 over doing 105 in an 80. Be careful of my "precious cargo". Hello! The speed limit was 96 (60 mph) before it was reduced in the wake of the Arab oil embargo. Believe me, in those days we were all driving vehicles much less competent than they are today. Meanwhile we encounter police speeding down the road to lunch, break or end of shift.
End of rant.
I have found police to be completely useless on property crimes. I was pickpocketed at a Toronto bar/restaurant. Loss totalled around $3,000 after credit card use. The manager informed me that that the perpetrator was clearly identifiable on the establishment's video footage. I filed a police report and spoke to the police several times. The manager would only provide the video to the police but I could not get anyone from Toronto Police to collect it. One officer suggested that I provide a thumb drive and wait at the restaurant for another officer officer to arrive. I was actually willing to do this however they could not give me a time outside a 6 hour window. Unacceptable. Later I filed an access request to see what investigation they did. The answer was absolutely nothing. Every time I see one of them sitting in a car doing nothing it burns me.
The second thing that annoys me is the self righteous attitude on traffic stops. Chastising me on highway 7 over doing 105 in an 80. Be careful of my "precious cargo". Hello! The speed limit was 96 (60 mph) before it was reduced in the wake of the Arab oil embargo. Believe me, in those days we were all driving vehicles much less competent than they are today. Meanwhile we encounter police speeding down the road to lunch, break or end of shift.
End of rant.
Whoa. I think I fucked up with my OP. The link I posted was to simply provide education to those terbites/merbites/perbites who WILL be finding themselves detained/arrested once Bill C-36 is passed into law.
If this fall you find yourself in the process of being detained for allegedly procuring a sexual service then it is in your best interest to clam up and let your lawyer speak for you. As the video says, be patient, what's the rush? If they have evidence, why add to it with your mouth?
My replies to some of the objections:
- if there is a missing child, of course help the authorities in their search.
- I do not believe that all cops are assholes. Having said that, just stay quiet if you are in the process of being detained. There is no need to help them out in the evidence collection process.
- you are married and want to get out of a sticky sitution. Sorry man, if the cops have enough to detain you, NOTHING you can say will help.
- don't drink and drive.
- always be polite.
If this fall you find yourself in the process of being detained for allegedly procuring a sexual service then it is in your best interest to clam up and let your lawyer speak for you. As the video says, be patient, what's the rush? If they have evidence, why add to it with your mouth?
My replies to some of the objections:
- if there is a missing child, of course help the authorities in their search.
- I do not believe that all cops are assholes. Having said that, just stay quiet if you are in the process of being detained. There is no need to help them out in the evidence collection process.
- you are married and want to get out of a sticky sitution. Sorry man, if the cops have enough to detain you, NOTHING you can say will help.
- don't drink and drive.
- always be polite.
Yeah, never let facts get in the way of a good argument, right?Thanks for showing up shack, to play your usual 'statistics' card - the ultimate in no-win debate tactics for trolls. Your question is like asking 'What is the meaning of life?' or 'How many angels can dance on the head of a pin'. One day you'll learn that there is almost no bigger pile of meaningless bullshit than statistics.
As my hair gains more salt than pepper, I've learned not to question the opinions of those formed from experience. I assume your views are the product of your experiences interacting with the police?
That's cool.
ive had good experiences with LE. I work closely with a certain department because of my job. They're not always the quickest, most driven or as aggressive as I would like. But, they work hard and they're fair. I respect that.
My buddy's brother in law is a cop in western Ontario. We hang out from time to time. Last year we went to my buddy's cottage and half a dozen cop buddies showed up. One of them was the armourer for their service and brought some cool toys. We went though a lotta beers and ammo that weekend.
It's amazing how people assume cops are so bad.
I guess the same people assume all white collar office workers are just as bad. All you have to do is check out any business site and you'll read about people getting arrested for embezzling, pyramid schemes, insider trading, accounting irregularities, companies on the hook for price fixing etc....
Given the factual articles, that means the blanket statement should be all office workers are shady and trying to rip off their own company or customers.
I guess the same people assume all white collar office workers are just as bad. All you have to do is check out any business site and you'll read about people getting arrested for embezzling, pyramid schemes, insider trading, accounting irregularities, companies on the hook for price fixing etc....
Given the factual articles, that means the blanket statement should be all office workers are shady and trying to rip off their own company or customers.
Unfortunately, in my experience, I've learned that facts and statistics are almost always mutually exclusive.Yeah, never let facts get in the way of a good argument, right?
As my hair gains more salt than pepper, I've learned not to question the opinions of those formed from experience. I assume your views are the product of your experiences interacting with the police?
That's cool.
I've never been arrested or ticketed but cops are out of control in the US (here: like any other unionized shop: inefficent and lazy).
CHP at work in LA:
These are just three i know of and three that made it to youtube. Imagine how many beatings and murders cops have committed knowing nobody was looking.
It's insane abuse of authority.
CHP at work in LA:
These are just three i know of and three that made it to youtube. Imagine how many beatings and murders cops have committed knowing nobody was looking.
It's insane abuse of authority.
I think quite a few people would see that as an example of bad cops.My buddy's brother in law is a cop in western Ontario. We hang out from time to time. Last year we went to my buddy's cottage and half a dozen cop buddies showed up. One of them was the armourer for their service and brought some cool toys. We went though a lotta beers and ammo that weekend.
Well it all depends upon whether the "lotta beers" were before or after the "lotta ammo" doesn't it now?I think quite a few people would see that as an example of bad cops.
