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This is a shocking breach of the confidentiality expected and demanded of the rehab facility workers, if it is indeed true that one of their sources was a staffer.

Police were called at least once to deal with an incident at GreeneStone during Ford’s time. It’s not known if the police visit was related to Ford.
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It's statements like this that give fuel to the fire that the Star is running a smear campaign. If they can't verify it, don't include it! It's what they call "journalism"
 
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Typical Star smear campaign. "Sources with knowledge", can't get more unimpeachable than that. Whatever.
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Where have I heard that bullshit before?

Oh I know. When the Star was using anonymous sources to describe Ford's rampant drug abuse, dereliction of duty, and abusive behavior. All you Ford Nation types bleated and mooed about how unreliable it was and what an awful paper the Star was and how none of it could be true.

Well guess what?

Everything the Star has printed about Ford to date has proven 110% true. In fact, when the full truth came out, the Star story had conservatively understated the facts. They wound up getting a whole raft of awards for their high quality reporting on Ford, and he wound up having to go in front of a camera and admit that every single thing they printed was absolutely true.
 
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d_jedi said:
This is a shocking breach of the confidentiality expected and demanded of the rehab facility workers, if it is indeed true that one of their sources was a staffer.


It's statements like this that give fuel to the fire that the Star is running a smear campaign. If they can't verify it, don't include it! It's what they call "journalism"
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They have verified it. They just aren't telling you the name of the source. There is a huge frigging difference between "unverified" and "anonymous". This story is verified and you can rely on it being absolutely true, a fact that should have been proven to you in excruciating detail over the past year.

Sometimes I wonder if to be a Ford supporter you have to have a lobotomy.
 
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I'm sure it did happen......

BTW has anyone ever heard of the DT's? Cripes my bet is its common for this to happen. Once someone sobers up there can be a lot of anger at one's self that gets directed outward. Its part of the process I would imagine in many cases.

Thankfully this show will be finally over in four months........
 
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They have verified it. They just aren't telling you the name of the source. There is a huge frigging difference between "unverified" and "anonymous". This story is verified and you can rely on it being absolutely true, a fact that should have been proven to you in excruciating detail over the past year.

Sometimes I wonder if to be a Ford supporter you have to have a lobotomy.
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I disagree. They have 0 evidence, but they're trying to use innuendo to imply it is related to Ford.
Police were called at least once to deal with an incident at GreeneStone during Ford’s time. It’s not known if the police visit was related to Ford. The OPP, which patrols the area, said that any information about police calls to GreeneStone could only be obtained by making a freedom of information request, a process that takes months.
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Marla said:
If he took his recovery seriously, he would be attending AA
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There are different routes than AA. My father attended Donwood to overcome his issue. It was an out patient program with counsilling. In the end it last a little over two years. He was actually on a drug called Antibuse that causes a severe allegic reaction to alcohol.

After he finished the program (and was off the drug) he never went back nor needed other councilling. That was 33 years ago.

(And yes I'm damn proud of him and was happy to get my real father back)
 
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Actually they have verified statements from first hand witnesses.
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It’s not known if the police visit was related to Ford.
Where are these verified statements from first hand witnesses? They're not in the article.
 
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Everything Donovan's written about Ford has proven to be accurate. Ford, OTOH, has consistently lied about his activities and where he's been.

And everything in that article is consistent with Ford's prior behaviour. He's an asshole and a bully in council why would you think he'd behave differently anywhere else.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-chaotic-day-at-city-council/article15499259/

And if Ford was interested in confidentiality he wouldn't have been taking day passes out of rehab to pose for selfies with the locals. He also phone his pal Joe Warmington at the Sun while in rehab to offer up nice stories about his stay there, eg "Rehab is amazing. It's like football camp".

AND he talked about rehab during a campaign speech. That opens his rehab claims up to being fact-checked.


In an interview by email, Shawn Leon, president of GreeneStone Healthcare and a part owner, said he could not answer questions about Ford.
“With regards to Mayor Ford’s conduct and how it affected other residents at GreeneStone we simply cannot comment".
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Even the prez of GreeneStone has nothing good to say about Ford. That quote from him says quite a bit. It's like the public school report card comment, "LIttle Robbie does not play well with others".
 
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Something else to remember is that Ford didn't simply decide he needed rehab. He ran away to avoid another media shitstorm. As the CBC delicately explained,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...ab-after-turning-back-at-u-s-border-1.2633179
The Ford saga became front-page news again last week, when the mayor took a leave of absence after two recordings surfaced in newspaper reports.

One audio recording captured the mayor ranting and making lewd comments about Coun. Karen Stintz. A video viewed by Globe and Mail reporters showed the mayor smoking a substance that a source told the newspaper was crack cocaine.
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THAT is why he ran away for a couple of months. The spa er, rehab was simply a convenient cover story.
 
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Ford can go to rehab all he wants.

Doesn't change his personae

If he's lucky, he will stay off the drugs, and off the booze (I have my doubts he will be able to.)

But he's still Rob Ford the pathological liar, the bully, the incompetent. the fool. The list is endless. Rehab won't change that.
 
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james t kirk said:
Ford can go to rehab all he wants.

Doesn't change his personae

If he's lucky, he will stay off the drugs, and off the booze (I have my doubts he will be able to.)

But he's still Rob Ford the pathological liar, the bully, the incompetent. the fool. The list is endless. Rehab won't change that.
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While purely anecdotal you just used several descriptors of my father while he was a drunk(and I could add a few more that are worse). Once he was off the sauce it was genuinely noticed by extended family and some friends what a different man he was.

Look I want him out. And believe me I don't consider the bottle excuse for bad behavior. In the end its a choice to be a drunkard. But I do wonder about this demonization of him. All I have is my father and some friends who's personality would drastically change when they drank. No scientific study. But it is powerful in shaping my opinion.

Only time will truly tell what kind of man he truly is sober. Until then I have to at least give him some benefit of the doubt.
 
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d_jedi said:
Fuji, consider this article:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/07/08/three_seriously_injured_in_toronto_shooting.html

Replace:
"Police said they have no information on suspects other than that two men were seen running away."

with:
"Police said they have no information on suspects other than that two men were seen running away. It's not known if John Tory was one of those men"
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The difference is reality. It …is that John Tory has no known connection to this incident, to any those involved or to the locale'.

Nothing of the like can be said of Rob in Rehab, and his past record of lying and bullying gives ample credence to the possibility raised by the story, a possibility so obvious it could not go unmentioned, but which the reporters are unable to verify. So they clearly stated that was unknown.

If you or anyone is gullible enough to take a possibility, even a dead certain one, as established fact that's your failing not the media's.

Arguing ineffectively over errors of understanding will just smear Rob's shit further.
 
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fuji said:
Where have I heard that bullshit before?

Oh I know. When the Star was using anonymous sources to describe Ford's rampant drug abuse, dereliction of duty, and abusive behavior. All you Ford Nation types bleated and mooed about how unreliable it was and what an awful paper the Star was and how none of it could be true.

Well guess what?

Everything the Star has printed about Ford to date has proven 110% true. In fact, when the full truth came out, the Star story had conservatively understated the facts. They wound up getting a whole raft of awards for their high quality reporting on Ford, and he wound up having to go in front of a camera and admit that every single thing they printed was absolutely true.
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I was admittedly a Star doubter (though not an outright denier) during the video episode. No longer after the way it unfolded.

I am taking them at their (printed) word.
 
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