Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)

[fuji]

MacLean's fails to mention that she was the lawyer for The Women's Coalition for the Abolition of Prostitution, when Bedford v. Canada was heard before the SCC. I don't consider her assessment of the merits of Bill C-36 particularly useful for that reason.

Maybe. But the previous law was thrown out in part because it was putting unreasonable restrictions on a legal transaction. That problem has been "fixed", it is no longer a legal transaction. That IS different.

There is no SCC ruling saying that prostitution must be legal. What it says is that if it is legal, it cannot be made unsafe. But if our is not legal no such objection arises.

 

[lovelatinas]

In Calgary it looks like the focus of LE is on street prostitution. Wonder what Bill Blair's agenda is? Perhaps he is too focused on Rob Ford so let's re-elect him to keep Bill Blair distracted. LOL!

[video]http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Calgary/ID/2462215027/[/video]

 

[D-Fens]

fred zed could make all of terb like that restrict access only to members.

 

[lovelatinas]

Ok, everyone on this board seems to be panicking, except for the agency owners, they seem calm. Wonder if they have something up their sleeve if they get busted, perhaps a client list of politicians to blackmail? :eyebrows:

 

[Czar]

A partial answer is quite simple for many of us here. Get the Supreme court to define sexual services for us with the reality that no penetration of any sort is not sexual services. Then the full body massage scene can go on as per normal with some new lovelies from the escort scene.

In a few years when the overall law is struck down, the rest can go back to normal for the escort scene. Street stuff will always have popular support to be targeted.

 

[lovelatinas]

A partial answer is quite simple for many of us here. Get the Supreme court to define sexual services for us with the reality that no penetration of any sort is not sexual services. Then the full body massage scene can go on as per normal with some new lovelies from the escort scene.

In a few years when the overall law is struck down, the rest can go back to normal for the escort scene. Street stuff will always have popular support to be targeted.

What if I hire a woman to masturbate in front of me (no intercourse) and I jerk off to it. Wanna bet LE will want to bust me for it.

 

[fuji]

A partial answer is quite simple for many of us here. Get the Supreme court to define sexual services for us with the reality that no penetration of any sort is not sexual services. Then the full body massage scene can go on as per normal with some new lovelies from the escort scene.

In a few years when the overall law is struck down, the rest can go back to normal for the escort scene. Street stuff will always have popular support to be targeted.

If you believe a hand job is not a sexual service, I have some park land in etobicoke for sale,

 

[D-Fens]

Ok, everyone on this board seems to be panicking, except for the agency owners, they seem calm. Wonder if they have something up their sleeve if they get busted, perhaps a client list of politicians to blackmail? :eyebrows:

Yes I wondered that, it's business as usual for the agencies they seem to act like everything is normal, what's going on? has anyone asked them about this? Even Fred Zed is taking this surprisingly well.

 

[nobody123]

Yes I wondered that, it's business as usual for the agencies they seem to act like everything is normal, what's going on? has anyone asked them about this? Even Fred Zed is taking this surprisingly well.

Agencies know better than to go all chicken little, that's why. Unlike some of the pie-in-the-sky optimists, they've known for some time how this was likely to shape up and have been preparing. Expect some changes in how they advertise and conduct business once the bill is signed into law, but why shit the bed before a single arrest is made or case goes before the courts? Even in the absolute WORST case scenario - the sky is falling and everyone is fucked - there are still days and weeks to go before this gets passed. There's still money to be made and freaking out your potential clients is counterproductive.

 

[AK-47]

If you believe a hand job is not a sexual service, I have some park land in etobicoke for sale

Ask Bill Clinton

 

[TeeJay]

I may not be as informed as I should be but I find this bill laughable. The most frequent users of SPs are MPs, will Ottawa be exempt from this law? That city is an excruciatingly dull place to be stuck in. Without SPs, MPs will be tearing their hair and eyes out with boredom. If this law is rigidly enforced expect Pier 6 brawls in the House of Commons.

Do these idiots understand the Pandora's Box they are opening up? Apparently Sweden's reactionary prostitution laws isn't working well for Swedish women:

This was debated ad naseum previously
Sweden is not that much worse than any other EU country, they simply have a very strange way of recording stats for sex crimes (the idea being a more serious repeat offender can then be punished much more severely)

 

[Ace88]

yeah, that's because the providers won't be touched by the law, only us 'perverts'

 

[Toronto`s Finest]

ALOT of this may be enforced as is TODAY ......complaint based. Courts & cops know the general public will .....is not to go on a crusade

 

[james t kirk]

right? As far as I can see, here, on other forums, on twitter, everywhere...... the ONLY people freaking out, panicking, cancelling incall appointments, closing their terb accounts and retiring are YOU GUYS.

Most of the providers I've spoken to are educating themselves, reading the bill, networking with colleagues, arranging events and protests, planning next steps.

And it's not even law yet.

Just wait till it passes into law and the first big busts start happening.

Guys like most of us (fine upstanding middle class guys who work for a living and pay the bills) have the most to lose.

I for one don't want to see my sad face splashed across the page of the Toronto Sun getting busted at a Massage Parlour. It would be career ending. It's simply not worth a piece of ass to see a lifetime's worth of mother fucking work get flushed down the toilet for 10 seconds of ecstacy. No piece of ass is worth that.

 

[james t kirk]

By the way, I see in the Globe and Mail that second reading of this bill is next Thursday.

It will be passed into law before Parliament breaks for summer.

You've got 2 weeks left guys to enjoy what you've enjoyed for the last 15 years.

 

[TeasePlease]

Ok, everyone on this board seems to be panicking, except for the agency owners, they seem calm. Wonder if they have something up their sleeve if they get busted, perhaps a client list of politicians to blackmail? :eyebrows:

Are you so sure? They have no interest publicly fretting. Be assured, they are quite concerned.

 

[james t kirk]

hahahaha awesome, take your ball and go home. You're depressing me. But just because you quit, there's no need to try to take the rest of terb with you. We're still having fun

In the end, it will be up to each man to weigh the risks vs. the benefits and make his own personal decision as to whether or not it's worth the risk.

Lots of guys do coke and coke (i.e. cocaine) is against the law, so don't worry dear, business is not going to end for you any time soon. Just some guys are going to say it's not worth it.

How this pans out will largely depend on how vigourously LE chooses to enforce the new law. (And given that LE LOVES busting hookers, I think it's safe to say that they will choose to enforce this. (But not the gay sex world. That's just disgusting. They won't bother the gay boys.))

 

[elise]

And it's not even law yet.

Just wait till it passes into law and the first big busts start happening.

Guys like most of us (fine upstanding middle class guys who work for a living and pay the bills) have the most to lose.

I for one don't want to see my sad face splashed across the page of the Toronto Sun getting busted at a Massage Parlour. It would be career ending. It's simply not worth a piece of ass to see a lifetime's worth of mother fucking work get flushed down the toilet for 10 seconds of ecstacy. No piece of ass is worth that.

This is exactly what I have been talking about. I would say there are a lot of us in this boat and that we generally make up a lot of the repeat clientele that SPs and MPs see (please tell me if I'm wrong as I can only see my perspective). Will it end the existence of all SPs / MPs ? - nope, not by a long shot. There will always be guys that don't care if they are charged criminally or think the chance of getting caught is too low to worry.

The law will have make the transaction, paying for play, criminal. It wasn't before.

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said...
"We find ourselves in an anomalous, some would say bizarre, situation where almost everything related to prostitution has been regulated by the criminal law except the transaction itself."

For now, that has been fixed, simple as that. In the long run the law probably won't survive but thats years and years away.

All of us on TERB are against the law without a doubt. When you read the comments at news sites etc. there is a lot of support for the new law too, so its not all one sided like we see in the comments here.

The risk for me will be too high to see SPs or MPs - YMMV (never thought I'd use the acronym that way).
Time to book the last hurrah.

 

[Samantha Jones]

... am i supposed to have a second job even though I am just a muse/dome? anyone with extra advise pls pm me

 

[mynameisearl11]

After getting caught,convicted what would happen to 'johns' with the current prostitution laws? Any lawyers in here? Personally,either ways I will be screwed with my marriage if I ever get caught.