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Bill C-36 tabled (New Prostitution Law)

Serpent

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The bill has not been passed into law.

Go forth and fornicate young man. Your days of care-free fornication are coming to an end.
I was thinking occasional outcalls with selected indies would work and then I thought that there's a potential for blackmail there because after all, the client is now the one breaking the law, not the seller. So there went that idea.
 

elise

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Yes, according to Ms. Nikki Thomas porn is now illegal as well.

https://twitter.com/MsNikkiThomas/status/474284726383939584 https://twitter.com/MsNikkiThomas/status/474285837010886656

You can follow her on Twitter, or just read her stream https://twitter.com/MsNikkiThomas
Doesn't matter if porn becomes illegal or not under this law. The big question is the enforcement of the law. If they turn a blind eye towards it it isn't an issue. If they try to charge someone it becomes an issue.

There were laws in force before Bedford had them struck down. They were mostly being ignored by law enforcement. Now that they have a new set of tools and its in the public eye again they will want to give the laws a try to see how they fair in court. I don't want to be the sacrificial lamb that gets caught.
 

Nikki2

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Doesn't matter if porn becomes illegal or not under this law. The big question is the enforcement of the law. If they turn a blind eye towards it it isn't an issue. If they try to charge someone it becomes an issue.

There were laws in force before Bedford had them struck down. They were mostly being ignored by law enforcement. Now that they have a new set of tools and its in the public eye again they will want to give the laws a try to see how they fair in court. I don't want to be the sacrificial lamb that gets caught.

Not to turn this into a partisan discussion, but the conservatives under Harper have been 'vindictive' against those that are not identified as being their 'base'. For this reason, I believe enforcement will be a priority. If for no other reason then to pander further to their right-wing Evangelical supporters. I could be wrong. And I hope I am.
 

Nikki2

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s. 213 is about communicating in public, not advertising. Unless you are referring to something else.
http://nationalmagazine.ca/Articles/June-2014/Not-quite-the-Nordic-model.aspx

Justice Minister Peter MacKay was asked to clarify, and he did: advertising sexual services publicly will be illegal. For everyone. “If there is a direct connection to the selling of sex that does not present itself in a public way, then it would be legal but if it is done so in a way that is perceived as public or as being available to those under the age of 18, it would be illegal,” he said in a press conference after tabling the bill.

“Any kind of advertising, which is by definition public, is going to get captured in this,” Cossman says.

That opens the door for police to go after magazines and websites that publish escort ads, according to several lawyers who spoke with National. <snip>

Advertising will be illegal once the legislation passes into law. For everyone. Although independents working alone are not breaking any law, their ability to communicate with their clients has been curtailed.
 

red

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Good post.

If I had a comment on the pay for sex industry in Canada in the last 10 years, it would be that it has become a LOT more mainstream and out in the open. (Which is why Ms. Bedford should have just left things well enough alone. I truly blame her naivety for this result. But I digress.) Paying for sex is far more out in the open than it has ever been in the past. You can see that on TERB, and by the shear numbers of women in the industry and the proliferation of massage parlours, etc. Because the laws were favourable, and the ones that did exist were rarely enforced (the exception may have been street walking), more and more men began to take part in "the hobby". You can see that on TERB.

But things are going to change.

Sure, there will be a hard core group of guys who will role the dice and take their chances because they NEED to hobby.

But the recreational users of the hobby, the guys who have a lot to lose, professionals who cannot chance a criminal record will stop and stop cold. (Or if they do still partake, it will be all the while looking over their shoulders for LE and it won't be a comfortable place to hobby from. We (and I say we because I'm in this category will not enjoy the overall experience because in the back of our heads it will be, "Christ, I hope I don't get busted" and visions of those US cop shows where they set up stings to bust johns will be replaying in our heads as we walk up to whatever location.)

The neuveau hobbiest (the guys who have driven the explosive growth in Canada in the last 10 years) will severely curtail and or eliminate altogether their involvement in pay for play industry. It's never going to disappear, but it is going to get clobbered and with it, the thousands of women who make their living from it.

Once this law is passed, this hobby will go right back to the way it was in 1972 in Canada. Underground, dangerous for all, highly unpredictable and fraught with risk.
I wish you were wrong but you are not.
 

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He did what I predicted, instructed a team of lawyers to study the SCC ruling and propose the most draconian legislation that might possibly pass the SCC.

They are OK with win a few, lose a few. Even if a few provisions are shot down what remains will be very repressive.
 

BlueLaser

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I'm talking about this article ... read it ;) I don't think my website is a public place, nor do I think terb is (if you have to log in to access it).... what do you think?
Do you mean if you password protect your website you don't think it would be public, or do you mean you already think it's not public? Because as it stands right now, I think the crown would argue it's not private at all and I believe the crown would side with them.
 

elise

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Not to turn this into a partisan discussion, but the conservatives under Harper have been 'vindictive' against those that are not identified as being their 'base'. For this reason, I believe enforcement will be a priority. If for no other reason then to pander further to their right-wing Evangelical supporters. I could be wrong. And I hope I am.
I think that LE will go after the SP industry (Agencies in particular). Stopping porn on the web, even if they really wanted too, isn't high on their list and it would be too costly with no valuable publicity (and probably not possible). Nobody challenged the federal law on porn they challenged it on prostitution and thats what they hit back at. You can't easily challenge a law if nobody has been charged with breaking it.
 

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National asked Cossman, who has followed the legal debate for years, what parts of C-36 are unconstitutional. “All of it,” she says. “All of it.”
 

Nikki2

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I think that LE will go after the SP industry (Agencies in particular). Stopping porn on the web, even if they really wanted too, isn't high on their list and it would be too costly with no valuable publicity (and probably not possible). Nobody challenged the federal law on porn they challenged it on prostitution and thats what they hit back at. You can't easily challenge a law if nobody has been charged with breaking it.

Agencies are most visible, and would provide the most 'bang for the buck' given there are multiple women working for them. As for porn, any Canadian websites will no doubt be targeted. Sites from outside Canada could be blocked quite easily. Are you familiar with Turkey and how they blocked Twitter during the recent uprising? The government has decided that the internet needs to be monitored and censored, and sadly, they have the tools to do so. Not quite what Tim Berners-Lee had in mind when he developed it!
 

elise

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Agencies are most visible, and would provide the most 'bang for the buck' given there are multiple women working for them. As for porn, any Canadian websites will no doubt be targeted. Sites from outside Canada could be blocked quite easily. Are you familiar with Turkey and how they blocked Twitter during the recent uprising? The government has decided that the internet needs to be monitored and censored, and sadly, they have the tools to do so. Not quite what Tim Berners-Lee had in mind when he developed it!
Maybe porn can be targeted by this bill/law that isn't what it is aimed at. Once SPs and their clients are gone... maybe then they would go after porn, but even the conservatives know that would be too much and they would gain little from it.
 

Nikki2

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Maybe porn can be targeted by this bill/law that isn't what it is aimed at. Once SPs and their clients are gone... maybe then they would go after porn, but even the conservatives know that would be too much and they would gain little from it.
I have an 18+ disclaimer on the home page, but I could password protect it.

I don't think their intention is to ban all porn, it's about images, videos etc that are used for advertising.

Plenty of porn on the internet has nothing to do with prostitution.
I was just repeating what Nikki Thomas had posted yesterday on Twitter. To be honest, I haven't read the entire bill.
 

The Fox

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This might not be bad at all for us. It’s says nothing about what we do in private.

I like the fact a pimp will no longer be able to have a couple of young girls, stuck in a days inn for days, seeing a revolving door of clients. Also, they will no longer be able to communicate via back page etc.

I also see reputable agencies creating individual WebPages for their girls and taking care of their logistics behind the scenes. Indies are fine.

I also anticipate a lot of girls simply hanging out in bars and hotel bars, similar to Vegas. These type of girls are not always street walkers, they are classier and discreet, we’ll be able to chat and go to a private place to discuss what mutual companionship works.
 

fosgate

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No, unless they a find a way to have a website to advertise companionship or dating services without the "BBBJ, PSE, CIM". They can't advertise selling sexual services on a website but there are ways around that.
Indy's can still have a web site and provide what they do. It is just 3rd parties can't like a pimp or an agency.
 

MadonnaLove

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Justin is good like that, he likes to chat. I too am on Twitter.

If Fred were to lock the entire board down, perhaps it would be considered private. But as it stands right now, it is open to public view.
Is back page considered public for advertising ?
 
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