It's not over yet. This bill will get struck down as it still does not address the safety of sex workers, which why the first one got struck down the first place. I hope I have confidence in that.
Kinda.Canada just became Saudi Arabia
I hope I have confidence in what you said. :thumb: BTW, are there any special rates to cheer up the Terb community? It's pretty gloom around here. LOL!Come on guys, don't get your panties in a bunch over this. Harper's majority isn't the end of the conversation, there are still judges in Canada who know how to read the constitution, even if the Conservative Party doesn't. The law won't pass third reading in its current state, and whatever scraps make it through the committee process will promptly be struck down by the courts. It won't take five years, it won't require an injunction from Bedford, it won't even require a constitutional challenge. The first judge who looks at it will strike it down, and the appeal courts will quickly agree.
As for advertising, the newspapers are already preparing challenges under the consitutional right to free speech. As long as sex work remains legal - which is does - there's no legitimate way to criminalize the advertising of sexual services. The government is just pandering to their evangelical base, they know full well that this legislation has no chance of staying on the books - they're just doing it to say they did it, so they can look tough and moral in the eyes of their supporters. Some of the lawyers who worked on the Bedford case have already come out and stated that the new legislation violates the Charter the same way the old laws did:
http://www.pivotlegal.org/the_new_sex_work_legislation_explained
The sky isn't falling, guys - tomorrow, it'll still be business as usual.
Coincidentally this ingenious solution also works for all illegal drug transactions, as well as extortion and bribes. Oh, wait, it doesn't.There is an easy way around this law. You place the envelope in a locked mailbox. No evidence that the cash was linked to you.
Short term,with the introduction of bill C-36 it will create an uptick in escorts business because most guys are in panic mode to book their atf's asap. Longer term we may see more marriages or more babies produce as bill C-36 turns into lawSo, where are all the optimists who thought we we're over-reacting with our doom and gloom predictions, saying that the sky is falling? Well, the sky just fell.
Lovelatinas--great point. All these lovely women, currently making more than lawyers/hour, are now "liberated" from their "victimhood" by the white knights Mackay and Harper, and now have the pleasure of applying to corporate slavery jobs paying minimum wage, with a resume that is basically empty of "job experience". God I hate these people.
Did you include your real name in the email?We all need to complain loudly and forcefully.
Personally, I've already sent off an e-mail to Peter MacKay. For those who may wish to adapt for their own use, here's what I sent:
I think it does. If I hire someone for companionship in a private space, no-one knows that we aren't just sitting and talking. The only people who know that the proposed law has been broken are the two of us. In the event she wants to be a witness against me, she'd have to be willing to be outed in court.It does not. You don't get off of drug trafficking charges by claiming to be a vendor of journeys to the inner mind and psyche.
Why would you say that?It could be years before this is passed and by then many changes will occur.
Chances are it won't pass before they rise for the summer and it has to be passed by December as per SCOC, so there's your window. As sure as shootin', there will be another SCOC challenge and I suspect another smackdown for the same reason as before. Whether the election plays a part is anyine guess.Why would you say that?
The Reform Party (whoops, I mean the "Conservative Party of Canada" has a majority in parliament.
I doubt it will take more than a few weeks to pass.
I am not that brave/foolish.Did you include your real name in the email?
I agree with you completely.I think this is, pure and simple, the PCs trying to impose a fundamentalist Christian view of sexuality on the country. It clearly does not address the safety of sex workers, and clearly does not respect the current laws under which sex work is legal....only certain activities associated with it are not. It may force the street trade further under cover, it will make a lot of the current escorting practices illegal, and it can essentially give the power to arrest a sex worker or a customer any time anywhere....because someone under 18 could reasonably be present almost anywhere.
It is clear that the intent is to prevent any sort of sex for money. Dechert made it clear that the intent or the hope would be to bring a total end to the disgusting practice of prostitution.
These people just thought they could do an end run around the intent of the court.....just make it illegal, which they effectively are doing....and then there will be no debate around safety.
Thanks for this, well put.Come on guys, don't get your panties in a bunch over this. Harper's majority isn't the end of the conversation, there are still judges in Canada who know how to read the constitution, even if the Conservative Party doesn't. The law won't pass third reading in its current state, and whatever scraps make it through the committee process will promptly be struck down by the courts. It won't take five years, it won't require an injunction from Bedford, it won't even require a constitutional challenge. The first judge who looks at it will strike it down, and the appeal courts will quickly agree.
As for advertising, the newspapers are already preparing challenges under the consitutional right to free speech. As long as sex work remains legal - which is does - there's no legitimate way to criminalize the advertising of sexual services. The government is just pandering to their evangelical base, they know full well that this legislation has no chance of staying on the books - they're just doing it to say they did it, so they can look tough and moral in the eyes of their supporters. Some of the lawyers who worked on the Bedford case have already come out and stated that the new legislation violates the Charter the same way the old laws did:
http://www.pivotlegal.org/the_new_sex_work_legislation_explained
The sky isn't falling, guys - tomorrow, it'll still be business as usual.
Really?Most of the emphasis is on selling and purchasing sexual services in public places where children could be present. I believe that is where LE will be mostly targeting.
EXACTLY.I blame the fools who gave Harper the Majority...
Till the bill is passed, which is a given.The sky isn't falling, guys - tomorrow, it'll still be business as usual.[/SIZE][/FONT][/I]
Those who voted for Harper just don't make the same x2 by voting for Hudak.EXACTLY.
And lots of those fools reside right here on TERB ironically enough.
Fuji has been pointing this out for years. (And I've been agreeing with him.)
It doesn't need to pass by December. The old laws expire as of end of year. So, there may be a few months where we have no laws on prostitution, but it's not as if this bill will die in December if it isn't passed by then.Chances are it won't pass before they rise for the summer and it has to be passed by December as per SCOC, so there's your window. As sure as shootin', there will be another SCOC challenge and I suspect another smackdown for the same reason as before. Whether the election plays a part is anyine guess.