Apartheid analogy common among Israel's left

groggy

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Keep bullshitting, ,
So find me one single UN document or vote that disproves the multiple papers, reports and statements.
And if you can't, then we'll confirm that:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
 

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Keep bullshitting, Neither Falk note the other guy have a mandate to speak on behalf of the GA. The Secretary General would be the closest to a spokesperson the UN has.

The President is an administrative position, also does not act as a spokesperson for the UN (which is why you generally never hear about him)

Keep flailing. You look stupid arguing against fact,
 

groggy

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Neither Falk note the other guy have a mandate to speak on behalf of the GA. The Secretary General would be the closest to a spokesperson the UN has.
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So find me one single UN document or vote that disproves the multiple papers, reports and statements.
And if you can't, then we'll confirm that:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
 

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So find me one single UN document or vote that disproves the multiple papers, reports and statements.
And if you can't, then we'll confirm that:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
Now your claim is that the UN thinks Israel is an apartheid state unless it enacted a resolution saying it isn't?????

Are you stupid?

Falk is not the UN and does not speak on behalf of the UN. There is no statement from them UN calling Israel an apartheid state. Period.
 

groggy

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Now your claim is that the UN thinks Israel is an apartheid state unless it enacted a resolution saying it isn't?????
I've provided 4 separate times with different levels of governance stating that Israel is apartheid.
And since you can't find any legit reason to contradict those findings and statements we can confirm that:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
 

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I've provided 4 separate times with different levels of governance stating that Israel is apartheid.
And since you can't find any legit reason to contradict those findings and statements we can confirm that:

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
You provided the same lie repeatedly, the thoroughly debunked claim that Falk is the UN. Repeating a lie four times won't make it true. His official mandate is the AUTHORITATIVE source, and it clearly limits his role to sending reports to the UN. His reports themselves, on UN letterhead, state that they are being transmitted to the UN.

There is nothing to debate here, just a question of how much of a clown you make yourself into by flailing around.
 

groggy

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Nope. The only thing we are dealing with here is that you are a propaganda clown.

Your claims were refuted in detail and now you are just yelling.
The only thing you've ever offered to doubt any of these UN reports and statements is your own opinion.
And that is worth less then Rob Ford's.


The UN says Israel is apartheid.
 

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The only thing you've ever offered to doubt any of these UN reports and statements is your own opinion.
And that is worth less then Rob Ford's.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
No, you were shown the text from his mandate and his reports. Now you are lying about what transpired in this debate on top of lying about Falk. You repeatedly tried to reword his mandate to include phrases like "on behalf of" that ARE NOT part of his mandate, and his reports themselves when presented to the GA used the phrase "transmitted to" the UN indicating that they are not from the UN.

None of that is opinion, that is fact.

You are a pathological liar.
 

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No, you were shown the text from his mandate and his reports......
You are a pathological liar.
Still pretending it was only Falk, not four parties at the UN calling Israel apartheid?

I'm just stating the facts.
As reported by the UN.

Israel is apartheid.
 

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Still pretending it was only Falk, not four parties at the UN calling Israel apartheid?
None of which have a mandate to speak in behalf of the UN.

Let's finish with Falk first: neither he, nor UNHRC, have a mandate to speak for the UN.

Don't run away from that and then pretend later you didn't lose the point.
 

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All of which have a mandate to represent the UN.

The UN has found Israel to be apartheid.

http://www.arabnews.com/news/569366
We have already shown in detail that Falk has no such mandate. You are lying about that.

We can go on to show that the others have the same kind of mandate, as do most UN GA agencies, they are tasked with investigating and reporting, UN GA reserves for itself the role of making resolutions declaring its own policy and position.

You at trying to avoid losing the debate on Falk by discussing these other groups rather than admitting the clear and we'll documenting fact that Falk has no such mandate.

Sorry not letting you wiggle away from you lie about Falk that easily.
 

groggy

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We have already shown in detail that Falk has no such mandate. You are lying about that.

We can go on to show that the others have the same kind of mandate, as do most UN GA agencies, they are tasked with investigating and reporting, UN GA reserves for itself the role of making resolutions declaring its own policy and position.
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Still lying, are you?

'We've' shown that Falk's mandate is to report to the UN and publicly on his findings on behalf of the UN.
Same as the others.


Still using the arguing techniques of a 4 year old?
Repeating the same false statement like Rob Ford in order to avoid discussing the reasons why Israel is apartheid, and why you support apartheid?
 

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'We've' shown that Falk's mandate is to report to the UN and publicly on his findings on behalf of the UN.
You added the word "behalf", it is not part of his mandate. That is just you being a pathological liar and a propaganda clown.
 

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You added the word "behalf", it is not part of his mandate. That is just you being a pathological liar and a propaganda clown.
Report to the public on behalf of the UN, as his mandate says.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
 

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Report to the public on behalf of the UN, as his mandate says.

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
The phrase "on behalf of the UN" does not appear in his mandate, nor anything even remotely like that. You may wish it did, but it doesn't. He does not have a mandate to speak on behalf of the UN.

For reference, here is his mandate, as exactly worded, without any of your nonsensical jibber jabber added to it:

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/EF7E1F52C06A9CB885256AD2004B1194

4. Decides to appoint a special rapporteur with the following mandate:

(a) To investigate Israel's violations of the principles and bases of international law, international humanitarian law and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967;

(b) To receive communications, to hear witnesses, and to use such modalities of procedure as he may deem necessary for his mandate;

(c) To report, with his conclusions and recommendations, to the Commission on Human Rights at its future sessions, until the end of the Israeli occupation of those territories;


Nowhere does it say he speaks on behalf of the UN. Nowhere. Stop your fucking lying.

He reports his conclusions and recommendations to the Comission.

(By the way, even in that, you can see the incredible bias of UN HRC - his mandate does not allow him to investigate Palestinian violations and assumes that there are Israeli violations, as in everything the UN HRC does -- which is due to it being essentially a tool of the Arab League.)
 
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