Apartheid analogy common among Israel's left

[groggy]

The phrase "on behalf of the UN" does not appear in his mandate

Here you go.

The special procedures of the Human Rights Council are independent human rights experts with mandates to report and advise on human rights from a thematic or country-specific perspective. The system of Special Procedures is a central element of the United Nations human rights machinery and covers all human rights: civil, cultural, economic, political, and social. As of 1 October 2013 there are 37 thematic and 14 country mandates.

With the support of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), special procedures undertake country visits; act on individual cases and concerns of a broader, structural nature by sending communications to States and others in which they bring alleged violations or abuses to their attention; conduct thematic studies and convene expert consultations, contribute to the development of international human rights standards, engage in advocacy, raise public awareness, and provide advice for technical cooperation. Special procedures report annually to the Human Rights Council; the majority of the mandates also reports to the General Assembly.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/SP/Pages/Introduction.aspx


Enjoy.


and of course, who can forge the crowd pleaser:

The Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territory (OHCHR oPt) is a field presence of the Office of United Nations the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR). OHCHR oPt is the only internationally-mandated entity to monitor and report publicly on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), and is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/MENARegion/Pages/OPT.aspx

If you like, I'll send you some mail addressed to Falk, his address looked like this while he was rapporteur.

Prof. Richard Falk
UN Special Rapporteur
OHCHR-UNOG
8-14 Avenue de la Paix 1211 Geneva 10 Switzerland

The UN says Israel is apartheid.
Fuji responds by attacking one of four UN sources for this view......

 

[fuji]

Are you stupid? You just proved yourself wrong.

Nothing you just quoted says that he speaks for the UN, on behalf of the UN, or any other such thing. It all says things like "report to and advise on".

Besides which the text I quoted above is authoritative, that is his actual mandate. Literally, his only authorization from the UN is that resolution creating his role and defining the the mandate.

As for OHCHR, Falk is not part of OHCHR.

 

[groggy]

Do you have English comprehension problems? You just proved yourself wrong.

Nothing you quoted says that he speaks for the UN, on behalf of the UN, or any other such thing. It all says things like "report to and advise on".
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is the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.

Meanwhile, here's what they are saying about themselves in Israel.

The apartheid state we’re in
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http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.590228

 

[fuji]

I see you are trying to change the topic. Let's just agree that Falk does not have a mandate to speak for the UN before you wiggle away. Your quoted material as well as his formal mandate restrict him to merely reporting to and advising the UN.

 

[groggy]

I see you are trying to change the topic. Let's just agree that Falk does not have a mandate to speak for the UN before you wiggle away. Your quoted material as well as his formal mandate restrict him to merely reporting to and advising the UN.

Lets just agree that the body Falk reports to is:

the official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt.

The official United Nations voice on human rights in the oPt has investigated and found that Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Falk does not report to OHCHR. Where did you get that ludicrous idea? Falk reports to UNHRC.

And REPORTS TO does not mean speaks for you fucking illiterate.

 

[groggy]

Falk does not report to OHCHR. Where did you get that ludicrous idea? Falk reports to UNHRC.

I suggest you write him one of your patented angry letters, let the bile spew forth.
Send it here:
Prof. Richard Falk
UN Special Rapporteur
OHCHR-UNOG
8-14 Avenue de la Paix 1211 Geneva 10 Switzerland

 

[fuji]

I suggest you write him one of your patented angry letters, let the bile spew forth.
Send it here:
Prof. Richard Falk
UN Special Rapporteur
OHCHR-UNOG
8-14 Avenue de la Paix 1211 Geneva 10 Switzerland

Why? He is irrelevant. He does not speak for the UN and nobody cares what he thinks.

 

[groggy]

Why? He is irrelevant. He does not speak for the UN and nobody cares what he thinks.

He works for the body that is the UNs voice on human rights issues in Israel and the UN says Israel is apartheid.

Why do you support apartheid?

 

[fuji]

He works for the body that is the UNs voice on human rights issues in Israel and the UN says Israel is apartheid.

Why do you support apartheid?

He does not work for OHCHR. He works for UNHCR. I showed you the UNHCR resolution creating his mandate.

And even if he did work for OHCHR, that would not mean that he speaks for them either.

 

[groggy]

He does not work for OHCHR. He works for UNHCR. I showed you the UNHCR resolution creating his mandate. And even if he did work for OHCHR, that would not mean that he speaks for them either.

Do I really have to link you his reports published on their site?

 

[fuji]

Do I really have to link you his reports published on their site?

They post lots of reports that they didn't produce on their website.

Proving that you are a stupid, ignorant fool will not help you win the argument any more than lying will.

It is INDISPUTABLE that UNHRC appoints Special Rapporteurs and I provided you with a link to the resolution where UNHCR created his role and defined his mandate. A mandate which does not include speaking on behalf of anyone.

OHCHR lends him office space because his position is unpaid and he has no budget, but he does not work for OHCHR, he works for UNHCR. If you read the OHCHR website, they say that too. To the extent that an unpaid appointment counts as working.

 

[groggy]

OHCHR lends him office space because his position is unpaid and he has no budget, but he does not work for OHCHR, he works for UNHCR. If you read the OHCHR website, they say that too. To the extent that an unpaid appointment counts as working.

Did you write him that angry letter yet?
Did they move his office?

Get back to me when they do, then we can talk.


In the meantime, the UN still says Israel is apartheid.

 

[fuji]

Did you write him that angry letter yet?
Did they move his office?

Get back to me when they do, then we can talk.

In the meantime, the UN still says Israel is apartheid.

This is just jibber jabber. I proved he works for UNHRC and that his mandate does not include speaking on anyone's behalf.

For reference, here is his mandate, as exactly worded by UNHRC,:

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/EF7E1F52C06A9CB885256AD2004B1194

4. Decides to appoint a special rapporteur with the following mandate:

(a) To investigate Israel's violations of the principles and bases of international law, international humanitarian law and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967;

(b) To receive communications, to hear witnesses, and to use such modalities of procedure as he may deem necessary for his mandate;

(c) To report, with his conclusions and recommendations, to the Commission on Human Rights at its future sessions, until the end of the Israeli occupation of those territories;

 

[groggy]

This is just jibber jabber. I proved he works for UNHRC and that his mandate does not include speaking on anyone's behalf.

For reference, here is his mandate, as exactly worded by UNHRC,:

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/EF7E1F52C06A9CB885256AD2004B1194

I looked at you link.
But if you're going to use this as your view of the UN"s position, your also going to have to accept:

Affirms the right of the Palestinian people to resist the Israeli occupation by all means, in accordance with the relevant United Nations resolutions, consistent with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, as has been expressed by the Palestinian people in their brave intifada since December 1987, in legitimate resistance against the Israeli military occupation;

And this:

3. Calls once more upon Israel, the occupying Power, to desist from all forms of violation of human rights in the Palestinian and other occupied Arab territories and to respect the bases of international law, the principles of international humanitarian law, and its commitments to the provisions of the Charter and resolutions of the United Nations;

Which means that you just killed your case for shooting civilians in the face, even if they are taking part in a 'brave' intifada Israel.
Do you stand by your source?

Do you also support their call for Israel to abide by:

Recalling the relevant Security Council resolutions, in particular resolutions 252 (1968) of 25 May 1968, 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971, 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980, 471 (1980) of 5 June 1980, 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980, 478 (1980) of 20 August 1980, 605 (1987) of 22 December 1987, 607 (1988) of 5 January 1988, 608 (1988) of 14 January 1988, 636 (1989) of 6 July 1989, 641 (1989) of 30 August 1989, 672 (1990) of 12 October 1990, 694 (1991) of 24 May 1991, 726 (1992) of 6 January 1992 and 799 (1992) of 18 December 1992,

If you agree to all of those we can continue to talk about the relevance of this document.

 

[fuji]

So you have agreed that Falk does not speak on behalf of the UN, and now you want to discuss other things that UNHCR (NOT the UN) has said.

The UNHCR resolution proves that Falk works for UNHCR and clarifies the limits of the mandate that he got from UNHCR.

 

[groggy]

So you have agreed that Falk does not speak on behalf of the UN, and now you want to discuss other things that UNHCR (NOT the UN) has said.

The UNHCR resolution proves that Falk works for UNHCR and clarifies the limits of the mandate that he got from UNHCR.

No, no, no.

I'm saying that if you think this is a document that must be respected then you have to say all parts of it are to be respected, not one line.
Do you agree that the full document should be abided by, by all parties?

 

[fuji]

No, no, no.

I'm saying that if you think this is a document that must be respected then you have to say all parts of it are to be respected, not one line.
Do you agree that the full document should be abided by, by all parties?

The document is authoritative on who Falk works for and what his mandate is. Do not confuse that with the document being authoritative in any other way.

He works guy guy UNHRC, and that is formal, official mandate.

UNHRC itself is horrendously biased and generally I do not agree with its opinions, but that is irrelevant to the question of who Falk works for and what mandate he was given.

 

[groggy]

The document is authoritative on who Falk works for and what his mandate is. Do not confuse that with the document being authoritative in any other way.

Sorry, if you're claiming that document is legit, then you have to accept all of its recommendations.
Do you?

 

[fuji]

Sorry, if you're claiming that document is legit, then you have to accept all of its recommendations.
Do you?

I do not have to agree with their opinion in order to agree that they are authoritative on who works for them and what mandate they specified.

You are a hilarious and pathetic clown.