Global Warming. Fact or grossly exaggerated??

Whats your opinion on global warming?

  • Its too late! We're all gonne bake, frie and die in a few years

    Votes: 44 30.1%
  • Its not as bad as scientists say. We got at least 100 to 200 years before shit hits the fan

    Votes: 33 22.6%
  • Its not real at all. Its a carbon credit money making scam

    Votes: 45 30.8%
  • Its all a big conspiracy MAN!!!

    Votes: 9 6.2%
  • Its way too cold in Canada, I wish it were real. Start up the SUV's

    Votes: 15 10.3%

  • Total voters
    146
  • Poll closed .
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**Sophie**

If you think about it, we had a true Canadian winter for once, which means that we've been spoiled by GW.

(Some who can remember say we haven't had a winter like this in 20 years).
True I remember always waking up on xmas morning with lots of snow, but it was more the freezing rain this year that killed it for me!! Literally shovelling every day. We shall see, you know what they say, Winter is going out like a Lion and coming back like a lamb, hopefully.....Which means, a really nice fall?
 

AK-47

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I'd like to note that since you are now stating that blogs don't count, that I will hold you to that standard for your own claim.
Fair?

Here's the story about the $billion annual spending:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/dec/20/conservative-groups-1bn-against-climate-change

And lets note that it was fossil fuel funded McIntyre who first 'found' the first batch of hacked emails, but that numerous groups have been under attack.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/series/climate-wars-hacked-emails
And a similar successful attack was made on skepticalscience.com, though since they didn't find anything nothing much was made of it.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/hack-2012-1.html

At this point the hacking has been quite well done, and like the robocall scandal here, they have gotten away with it. But its pretty obvious which party stands to profit by making shit up about the other side here
Right, and its pretty obvious how much profit *your* side stands to make as well

See here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/european-fraudsters-steal-7b-in-carbon-credit-scam-1.853443

You still don't get it groggy, both sides use propaganda. Its extremely hard to tell who's lying and who's not. And ever since Climategate I dont trust the GW alarmists anymore either



Fine, lets call it 400,000 scientists and concerned citizens. Back that up with the other 200 fucking international scientific associations against your three paid lobbyists who were invited to talk for 30 minutes at a workshop for a sub-committee (or as you lied and called it a 'permanent panel').

When do you apologize for calling that workshop a 'permanent panel'?
You lied
I didnt lie, I was going by the Breitbart article which was misquoted. I will admit it looks like it was a one-time workshop. However, my original point still stands, they wouldnt invite 3 well known GW skeptics if cracks werent starting to appear in the whole GW scam

Also, when it comes to lying you have yet to still admit you fell for my earlier ruse. Nobody believes your bullshit excuse that you just skimmed over my post, except for you and dumbrock.

But I'm not surprised you can't admit that though, you dont seem like the type
 

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Right, and its pretty obvious how much profit *your* side stands to make as well

See here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/european-fraudsters-steal-7b-in-carbon-credit-scam-1.853443
So what has that to do with scientists or the IPCC?
Scammers are scammers, they'll pick whatever they can get away with.
For all the information in your article this could as easily have been the Koch brothers as it was anyone from the IPCC.
Fail.

I didnt lie, I was going by the Breitbart article which was misquoted. I will admit it looks like it was a one-time workshop. However, my original point still stands, they wouldnt invite 3 well known GW skeptics if cracks werent starting to appear in the whole GW scam
I think from now on you need to provide sources, since they appear to be dodgy.
Please link your original article.
And it better not be from some blog....



So far we've found you:
Can't read the IPCC reports
Can't read a graph
Can't spot a doctored graph
Quote from dodgy sources


And now you still seem to think that its big news that three contrarians got to speak for 30 minutes at a workshop of a sub-committee while you refuse to acknowledge that I've given you 200 hundred international scientific associations representing hundreds of thousands of scientists who back the IPCC findings.
 

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So what has that to do with scientists or the IPCC?
Scammers are scammers, they'll pick whatever they can get away with.
For all the information in your article this could as easily have been the Koch brothers as it was anyone from the IPCC.
Fail
How do you know half the IPCC staff isnt up to their ears in carbon credit trading??
We know Al Gore is: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...d-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html

Do you really think IPCC members are too ethical to profit from CC trading??

So far we've found you:

Can't read a graph
Can't spot a doctored graph
Where do you get this nonsense from, I can't read/spot a graph??! :confused:

So far we've found you quote from dodgy sources
Of course, I quote your posts all the time :biggrin1:

BTW groggy, are you ever gonna admit you fell for my ruse??
 

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The correct quotation is, 'correlation does not 'necessarily' mean causation'.
Correlation is not causation. Agreed.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/jan/06/correlation-causation

The skeptical science chart is very similar to the one on page three, the same one that notes that we are experiencing decadal increases of 0.2C, which I believe was the bet you wagered against earlier. I'd say you should check the chart except you've failed twice at reading charts already. In any case, the 2013 report confirms we are indeed experiencing decadal increases of 0.2 C.
Wrong. Try reading the IPCC's report. The IPCC says the change from 1998 to 2012 was only 0.05 degrees Celsius. That means there was no statistically significant change at all over a 15-year period.

Page 5: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
 

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There is no empirical evidence to support the premise of "global warming" as the warmists define it. Computer model projections are not evidence.
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Yet for some reason the vast majority of the scientific community believe the evidence they have. I know you blame that on a conspiracy but most rational people would understand that it means it is the best theory out there. Come up with something better and stop pretending that your attacks on scientific method have anything to do with evidence.
 

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So, unlike the charts and information that I have cited from the IPCC's reports, your chart comes from a propaganda website. As expected.



The IPCC's 2007 AR4 report predicted increases of 0.2 degrees Celsius per decade. It is perfectly legitimate to hold the IPCC accountable for its predictions.

And it's funny how the IPCC never recommends a long-term, wait-and-see approach when it comes to policy measures to respond to its alarming predictions.
Do you ever wonder why people keep comparing you to a creationist? You have produced no scientific theory but are merely trying to come up with insignificant details that science couldn't explain at the time. Why do you keep suggesting that science shouldn't be allowed to benefit from constantly expanding knowledge.
 

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Correlation is not causation. Agreed.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/jan/06/correlation-causation

Wrong. Try reading the IPCC's report. The IPCC says the change from 1998 to 2012 was only 0.05 degrees Celsius. That means there was no statistically significant change at all over a 15-year period.

Page 5: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
Which is what the original quote, for the second time. It is not absolute.

The correct quotation is,
'correlation does not 'necessarily' mean causation'.
You do understand what the phrase, 'not necessarily' means, don't you? Apparently not. Now it's perfectly clear why you can't understand what others post.
 

Moviefan-2

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Yet for some reason the vast majority of the scientific community believe the evidence they have.
You keep trying to make it sound like there's some mysterious evidence out there that the IPCC holds and the rest of us don't know about.

We know what the IPCC predicted, based on its computer model projections. And we know what the empirical data show. It's not hidden or difficult to interpret. The IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong. And from a scientific perspective, that's a problem.

Do you ever wonder why people keep comparing you to a creationist?
Not at all. It's for the same reason he falsely accused me of changing the terms of a bet after the bet had ended. He relies on lies and propaganda because that's all he's got.
 

Moviefan-2

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You do understand what the phrase, 'not necessarily' means, don't you? Apparently not. Now it's perfectly clear why you can't understand what others post.
"Necessarily" wasn't in quotation marks in the post you cited. You're giving it an emphasis that isn't in the original text.

Furthermore, your blogger hasn't quite got it right. While the correlation between smoking and lung cancer certainly pointed to a problem, causation was ultimately determined through scientific research.

A correlation, on its own, might point researchers in the right direction but it does not prove causation.
 

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You keep trying to make it sound like there's some mysterious evidence out there that the IPCC holds and the rest of us don't know about.....
No I'm trying to tell you that you ignore the evidence when you don't like it. The scientific community accepts it.

As I said, best theory available at the moment.
 

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Not at all. It's for the same reason he falsely accused me of changing the terms of a bet after the bet had ended. He relies on lies and propaganda because that's all he's got.
No it's because you keep trying to tell us that the theories on global warming can't be used because there are minor unaccounted for factors just like the creationists try to say evolution is wrong because there are still unknowns.
 

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groggy

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How do you know half the IPCC staff isnt up to their ears in carbon credit trading??
We know Al Gore is: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...d-become-worlds-first-carbon-billionaire.html
Sure, Gore is a politician making money backing his choices, like Cheney making money off of Blackwater.
Still has nothing to do with the IPCC.

Do you really think IPCC members are too ethical to profit from CC trading??
They may have, but you haven't shown any evidence either way. Its all conjecture.
And do think it could be as big a deal as insider trading at Wall Street?

Where do you get this nonsense from, I can't read/spot a graph??! :confused:
I challenged both you and moviefan to read graphs that moviefan (I think) supplied. Both of you failed, first in spotting doctoring and secondly just finding a data point.
 

Moviefan-2

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No it's because you keep trying to tell us that the theories on global warming can't be used because there are minor unaccounted for factors just like the creationists try to say evolution is wrong because there are still unknowns.
"Minor, unaccounted-for factors"? :D

That's like looking at how many times the Toronto Maple Leafs have won the Stanley Cup since 1967 and concluding their record hasn't been absolutely perfect.

In fact, the IPCC's predictions were spectacularly wrong. That's damn good reason to question the computer models.
 

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Wrong. Try reading the IPCC's report. The IPCC says the change from 1998 to 2012 was only 0.05 degrees Celsius. That means there was no statistically significant change at all over a 15-year period.

Page 5: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/report/WG1AR5_SPM_FINAL.pdf
Did you read the full paragraph on page 5 that I believe you are referring to?
You didn't understand it, did you?

Otherwise you'd note that it says that while global surface temperatures have been rising that the natural variability (ie the squiggly line) makes it so that you could cherry pick you data points to make a false claim about that 15 year period from 1998.

Just like I told you, multiple times.

Its all there in black in white, from the source you supplied but either didn't read or couldn't understand.
Which is why you keep falling for the cheap tricks of the ex-tobacco lobby.
You are an easy mark.
 

Moviefan-2

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I challenged both you and moviefan to read graphs that moviefan (I think) supplied. Both of you failed, first in spotting doctoring and secondly just finding a data point.
I'm still trying to figure out how you concluded that we're currently living in 2001 (your own space odyssey).
 
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