do you ever get tired of the attitudes of SP's that you get totally turned off?

[black booty lover]

I've decided to give a break down the last female that I corresponded with so some people can get what I'm saying and see why I threw in the towel on this method.

My ad was basically,"39 year old white male, looking for blk female with big booty for message followed by ass worship/face smothering. 150 for about 30/45 min. I'm not looking for a one time thing, but something ongoing. If interested, please get back with a pic and little about yourself.

Get and email from what I'll call "SP".

sp: hey hun, came across your ad on back page and I'm all about that (notice she didn't do anything I asked in my add, no pic, do description of hersef, ect)

me: Hi and thanks for responding. Do you mind telling me a little more about yourself? Age, ethnicity/pic?

sp: I'm more looking for a sugar daddy type situation. Is that something your interested in? (WTF?? If I was looking for a sugar babe, I would have fucking posted I'm looking for a sugar babe. Not to mention, she replied to me saying "I READ your ad, I'm all about that". I also still have no idea of what she looks like, her enthnicty ect.

me: I'm not really looking to be a sugar daddy, I have fetish for big black booty and looking for someone that will give me a message, followed by booty smothering and facesitting for the amount I posted. I'm also looking for something ongoing so if your interested in that, that's what I'm looking for.

sp: okay, well we can work that out. I'm going to make you happy and you can just give what you can.

me: okay, great! So do you mind sending me a pic, and little about yourself? Need to make sure your not a minor and have a good head on your shoulders (still trying to get the info that I requested originally in my ad)

(then no response for two days)

me: hey, I thought we were close to hooking up. Are you still interested?

sp: What are you offering and what are you looking for? (for fuck sakes!!! are there that many guys throwing money at her and talking to her via email the last 3 days, that she's this confused?!@#!)

me: Don't worry about it, we've been sending emails back and fourth for 3 days about this. If you can't figure out who I am, and the fact I had to email you after 2 days to find out what the status is, your obviously not interested in my money. I'm not going to chase you down to try and give it to you.

If she had of been the first girl to respond, I might of went over everything again. When your the 15th, and ive gone through so many of these types of replies you get to the end of your rope.

This is was just the last one I was talking to. They're almost all like this. This is why I've come to the realization this probably isn't going to work as well as with what some of the others have said about BP.

 

[shack]

one other thing, people have stated in this thread I'm being cheap. There is a difference Uin being cheap, and what you can afford. The fact of the matter is I can't even really afford what I'm actually offering, but I have no choice. Being cheap is when you have the money, but don't want to part with it. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't blessed with a great brain so I don't have a great job. I make 35k a year. Despite that, if I go to a bar, I usually tip more more than most of the guys beside me making a lot more money. I'm the furthest thing from cheap, it's all I can really afford and even that is tough for me.

I totally understand your situation. It does not, however, change the fact that at those rates you are offering you are still dealing with girls on the lower end of the spectrum and as such the types of responses/attitude you are getting is not surprising. It corresponds to your snack bracket.

Maybe the title of the thread should not say ..."getting tired of attitude...", it should say "I'm getting tired of only being able to afford the lower class girls instead of the ones that cost more but have better attitudes". Therein lies the problem.

 

[DB123]

I totally understand your situation. It does not, however, change the fact that at those rates you are offering you are still dealing with girls on the lower end of the spectrum and as such the types of responses/attitude you are getting is not surprising. It corresponds to your snack bracket.

Maybe the title of the thread should not say ..."getting tired of attitude...", it should say "I'm getting tired of only being able to afford the lower class girls instead of the ones that cost more but have better attitudes". Therein lies the problem.

+1/2. Can't give the full +1 because a big part of the problem is that the OP seems to like that sort of girl

 

[black booty lover]

really, for the rate your'e offering you really should be doing your own leg work. If you put some effort into searching the boards, the advertising forums, and the classified sites, and use the search function and advanced search function, I bet you find a few that meet your needs.

Then you might have to actually throw down some cash to meet them, maybe one of them will have exactly t the looks, attitude and service you're horny for, and if you're lucky she'll be in your price range, or maybe in the position to give a regular repeat client a better rate.

I'm telling you, semi pro / pro ladies aren't going to answer your ad. if I was in a position where I was cruising backpage ads looking for a client I'd be retiring.

for starters, are my rates really that astronomically bad? 150 for 30/45 for a massage and ass worship??

Second, once again you've completely missed the point. 150 for 30/45 minutes is still a hell of a lot of money. How much do you think a doctor makes an hour? I bet not much more than that.

My point for the LAST time, is my ad speaks for itself. If your going to respond to MY ad, cause YOU are in need of financial assistance, then YOU should be putting a little more effort into it. I can't speak as to why these women are cruising back page, but they are. Then respond obviously cause they want the money, then it's like I should be the one thanking them for the opportunity at the crazy "low rates" I'm offering.

Hence the reason for my thread. If 150 for 30/45 minutes for not even full service isn't good enough or there is no market for that, than ya, I'd rather keep my hard earned money.

 

[Zook]

"Unfortunately for me, I wasn't blessed with a great brain"

It is actually impressive to me that someone realizes that. However, why not recognize that if you are getting opposition on this forum that maybe some of the opposition has a better brain.

Just a thought.

 

[Art Mann]

Problem is it takes a great brain to recognize a better brain.

Much less thought required to beat a dead horse.

 

[ICEman72]

At first I thought OP was asking for too much at the rate he was offering. Then he essentially posted his ad and some communication. I don't think he is out of line for what he's seeking. When you see some of the asian agencies asking $120 for 30 min FS and Roommates is $140 for 30 min FS, offering $150 for approximately 45 min of a little massage, some face smothering and most likely a HJ release does not appear to be insulting. It's all about context. I know some of our beloved advertisers may disagree with me but the rates are posted on this and every other board. The ladies' argument would be that it is about time and not services provided. I get that but when the advertising medium is backpages, where many rates are even lower, I think OP is looking for fair value. I believe the problem is centered around using backpages to look for a semi-pro. In today's culture everything is about give me more...particularly with many girls. I mean no disrespect to any of the fine ladies who advertise on Terb or those with whom I have spent time. Unfortunately, when you constantly see media reports of celebs going into strip clubs making it rain to the tune of 50K and guys having sugar babies to whom they just give any amount to for nothing other than the fact the girl has a vagina some girls are left wanting all that for nothing too. Today's culture is all about hustling as much as you can and giving back as little as possible. The sad truth is backpages is littered with posts from those with that exact attitude. Let's face it, girls today know many guys are absolute idiots when it comes to money and females. Many of these girls are not ashamed to run as much game as they can to get that paper.

 

[black booty lover]

"Unfortunately for me, I wasn't blessed with a great brain"

It is actually impressive to me that someone realizes that. However, why not recognize that if you are getting opposition on this forum that maybe some of the opposition has a better brain.

Just a thought.

It's not all opposition. Some of the TERBITES actually got what I was saying.

The thread in reality should have been pretty simple. I put an ad out which I thought was reasonable and fair for the time and services I was asking. I received nothing but time wasting responses and females acting like cause they responded to my ad, I should be chasing them down to take my money.

On top of that, my regular SP who is retiring in 5 months (at least that's what she says) has taken this attitude like she's doing me a favour every time we set an appointment. This bothered me because yes she is great, but she also been fairly compensated for it.

These two things combines pissed me off and totally turned me off trying to find a regular SP. I came on here to vent about it and see if any other members have gone through similar situations.

Really shouldn't have been that much opposition at all.

Some members making comments totally illustrating my point like miss Jessica lee who keeps referring to the rates I was offering as being so bad.

I keep having to justify myself and explain they're not really that bad when you think about it. They also keep missing the point that all I was simply trying say is, 150 bucks for 30-45 minutes in any line of work is very good. Point being that I got frustrated that these women who were obviously looking for money, would contact me, then put little or no effort into actually doing anything to earn it.

If someone cares to explain to me that 150 bucks in half hour of work is bad, then I'm all ears. Funny how every time I compare it to what a doctor makes in hour, nobody seems to say anything.

I think part of the problem is most members on TERB have deep pockets, so they're not quite as understanding to my financial situation. The SP's on TERB are usually higher end and are used to seeing clients where the money isn't really an issue. (like miss Jessica lee who rather retire than respond to an ad offering 150 bucks for 30 minutes of non-fs) I plain and simply just can't afford to go up into that price range of 200 or 250 an hour. Especially since I was hoping for a regular SP. I should also mention that the type of women I'm attracted to (ghetto black girls) as strange as it may be, are the ones usually on back page, as opposed to working for the big reputable agencies.

Anyway, bottom line, back page is full of bottom feeders and time wasters. In a few months when my frustration level is over and my regular SP has retired, I'll have to just keeping trying new pro's until I find the right one, as opposed to placing an add hoping one comes to me. I just thought that route my be a little easier, especially because Im crazy shy.

 

[black booty lover]

At first I thought OP was asking for too much at the rate he was offering. Then he essentially posted his ad and some communication. I don't think he is out of line for what he's seeking. When you see some of the asian agencies asking $120 for 30 min FS and Roommates is $140 for 30 min FS, offering $150 for approximately 45 min of a little massage, some face smothering and most likely a HJ release does not appear to be insulting. It's all about context. I know some of our beloved advertisers may disagree with me but the rates are posted on this and every other board. The ladies' argument would be that it is about time and not services provided. I get that but when the advertising medium is backpages, where many rates are even lower, I think OP is looking for fair value. I believe the problem is centered around using backpages to look for a semi-pro. In today's culture everything is about give me more...particularly with many girls. I mean no disrespect to any of the fine ladies who advertise on Terb or those with whom I have spent time. Unfortunately, when you constantly see media reports of celebs going into strip clubs making it rain to the tune of 50K and guys having sugar babies to whom they just give any amount to for nothing other than the fact the girl has a vagina some girls are left wanting all that for nothing too. Today's culture is all about hustling as much as you can and giving back as little as possible. The sad truth is backpages is littered with posts from those with that exact attitude. Let's face it, girls today know many guys are absolute idiots when it comes to money and females. Many of these girls are not ashamed to run as much game as they can to get that paper.

holy shit, praise jesus and hallelujah!

Someone who actually is reading what I'm saying, and totally understands all I was trying to say.

Thank you iceman

 

[black booty lover]

My honest advice, don't go into debt to try to finance this hobby.

150 to was close to within my budget,(a little more than I can afford but didn''t want to go any lower, as you can see the backlash I've gotten from offering even that) hence the reason that's all I could offer.

 

[black booty lover]

You can have a pretty reasonable and romantic dinner for that money. I don't know, try online dating or asking a coworker or something out.

because I'm not looking for a romantic dinner or wanting to got out with a co-worker, I'm looking for black female to smother me with her big booty and let me dat at the o.

 

[Mable]

for starters, are my rates really that astronomically bad? 150 for 30/45 for a massage and ass worship??

Second, once again you've completely missed the point. 150 for 30/45 minutes is still a hell of a lot of money. How much do you think a doctor makes an hour? I bet not much more than that.

My point for the LAST time, is my ad speaks for itself. If your going to respond to MY ad, cause YOU are in need of financial assistance, then YOU should be putting a little more effort into it. I can't speak as to why these women are cruising back page, but they are. Then respond obviously cause they want the money, then it's like I should be the one thanking them for the opportunity at the crazy "low rates" I'm offering.

Hence the reason for my thread. If 150 for 30/45 minutes for not even full service isn't good enough or there is no market for that, than ya, I'd rather keep my hard earned money.

It is about power. The sp wants to establish SHE is in control, not you. Have you not dealt with women before? Hence the "attitude." Yes it is tiresome but there are subtle ways of handling this if you use your imagination.

 

[fmahovalich]

This is easy BBL.

You are posting an ad hoping, and wanting these girls to CHASE YOU DOWN.

Remember they are always the advertisers, you are THE CUSTOMER.

They have tons of men chasing them down....not the other way around...so you really are a time waster i their minds.

Time is money Dude. They can't wait to filter you...they have three others lined up.

Its nothing personal for them...that is in FACT TRUE...they don't want personal...they want an object.

 

[Dougal Short]

"Attitudes" of ladies are as varied as the ladies themselves. I have seen "Sexy Spinner" a few times in the recent past, and when I contact her, she responds with enthusiasm and makes me feel like she genuinely is looking forward to seeing me. I "know" it's going to a great time simply because I believe she wants to be there...

On the other hand, another lady (who shall remain nameless) was a complete turnoff before I even tried to book an appointment. First effort: no reply. Second effort: appointment booked in advance, only to be cancelled when I was waiting for the final buzzer number, after confirming earlier in the day, and driving for an hour. Third effort: "Please book by text. I'm much too busy to reply to emails". Huh? She just replied to my email. All she had to say was, "Yes, 2:00 on Friday is fine."

There won't be a forth attempt.

 

[black booty lover]

This is easy BBL.

You are posting an ad hoping, and wanting these girls to CHASE YOU DOWN.

Remember they are always the advertisers, you are THE CUSTOMER.

They have tons of men chasing them down....not the other way around...so you really are a time waster i their minds.

Time is money Dude. They can't wait to filter you...they have three others lined up.

Its nothing personal for them...that is in FACT TRUE...they don't want personal...they want an object.

Your way off here fmahavollich.

For starters, I'm not hoping they will chase me down.(Love how people keep putting words in my mouth or tell me want my intent is) It was quite simple. My ad was straight forward, and the money was on the table. It was there if someone wanted it. All I wanted was a response saying something like:

"Hey! Came across your ad. I'm a 23 year old Caribbean girl who's in college looking to make a bit of extra $. (or whatever). I'm comfortable with a massage and ass worship for the said amount and time. I've also attached a pic for you to check out my nice booty. Do you mind setting me a pic to make sure I'm comfortable you?"

Which I would have sent one back. If she was okay me, I would have requested a date and got down to business.

That was it....really shouldn't be that hard. If as you say they have "these guys lined up" willing to fill there pockets with cash...then ya look at my first post where I said "is there that many guys throwing money at them that they can act this?" If that's the case, as I've said, so be it. I'd rather keep my hard earned money then having to keep emailing some female who can't remember me after 3 days of corresponding with her.

The bigger issue which many people have pointed out, is back page itself. Half those ads that are scammers, bull shitters. bait and switch ops, are the same ones searching BP for ads like mine.

One last thing, I did this in the past and got lots of good females responding. A few years back and even a few years before that.

It's this current time where I've only had the problems and frustration. It's like something seems to have changed.

 

[DB123]

I'm with BBL on this. His rates are reasonable especially if the SPs aren't splitting with agencies etc

Exactly. AND....he isn't looking at agencies or even remotely high-end indies. What he's offering + who he is attempting to offer it to (not making any judgments, other than that his target is lower-end BP girls) = more tan reasonable fee to service ratio

 

[Art Mann]

. . . personally i think what he's looking for is possible, but only with a lot of work. in fact it may be just less work to date a real civilian woman. my 5 cents.

Probably would also have been less work to discuss this directly with the ladies rather than beating a dead horse here.

Not a single one of us guys can provide him with the reward he seeks.

 

[shack]

I'm with BBL on this. His rates are reasonable especially if the SPs aren't splitting with agencies etc

Exactly. AND....he isn't looking at agencies or even remotely high-end indies. What he's offering + who he is attempting to offer it to (not making any judgments, other than that his target is lower-end BP girls) = more tan reasonable fee to service ratio

In spite of all these things that you agree with, he is still having a problem which lead him to post this thread.

I will reiterate, he is targeting the lower end BP girls and that is where the problem lies. I'm not saying he is being cheap if that is what he feels his budget will allow. However, there is a reason these girls are considered lower end (not just their price) and he is finding out why that is so. You get what you pay for, or in this case, attempt to pay for.

 

[Butler1000]

BBL you may want to try and see if there are any massage girls who will do this. There are a ton of spas out there with a variety of ladies. You are pretty much asking for a nude reverse with a bit of extra here. With 40 buck door fee and 100 buck tip you would be in the ballpark for a lot of places.

Also save you the money and time of trying to transport the ladies or find a place as you were going for in another thread.

Check out a place like alphacare or other medium grade places. Worth the look and you may find a gem.

 

[Kyra.Graves]

I'm actually going to throw my 2 cents in here as well, not sure if it will help you at all but feel free to take what you want from it and discard any info you don't think applies to you and your situation, I'm just throwing out ideas based on my experience 'in the field'.

There are several reasons why a lady might find $150 to be low, it's up to her to decide how much "work" the date will be. I personally don't offer fetish dates to clients I have never met and if I had someone contact me for a 'smothering session' asking about my big black booty (of which I am severely deficient!) then I would assume he has a fetish and some fetish clients can be quite easy to work with but others can be very difficult. In this industry there is usually a premium on fetish dates, especially with ladies that have lower service fees and tend to have a more a la carte pricing structure.
In addition I don't find a date that is a manual release to be less work, I actually work quite hard at that and it's one of my most requested services despite the fact that FS is available so I wouldn't expect someone to offer me less for it. Now every lady is different just like men, some will take great pleasure in watching a partner, in providing oral sex or they may find it better to receive, others prefer FS and some may want to switch it up in a day. It's up to the lady to decide what is 'more work' though because if you had to provide oral sex all day, every day continuously then you'd probably charge a premium for that even though it's not "sex" because it would be exhausting to you, you'd be using the same muscles over and over and it would be an indemand service. If the ladies feel this is something of a premium service then it probably is, otherwise you would easily find it for less than the going rate for FS.

I understand that you cannot afford to increase your offer, that's fine. Clearly you have found what you are looking for at least once with your regular lady, now you need to do that again. I think the key would be to consider it from their perspective and try to defeat the counter argument before the lady even knows what questions she is asking. If she thinks you are asking for a specific fetish service then rephrase it or at least soften it, if 'smothering' isn't getting you the ladies you want try asking for 'worshiping' or be lighthearted and say something like "literal ass-kisser wants to meet you!"
If you want to demonstrate to someone that you aren't a lot of work, that you won't be a difficult date try putting a little extra into your correspondence and advertisement. A number of guys I know are okay with simple brief responses but a lot of the ladies I know like getting a little extra information in their emails because it tells you a lot more about who you will be spending time with, show her a little of your personality. In this industry we are often approached by clients saying if they have a good time they'll make it a regular thing but for many of us that is not only an empty promise but often I am left wondering if you are someone I want to spend my time with? To be an ongoing client chemistry has to be mutual, if I find someone difficult or demanding then I am going to dread seeing them and that will show in our dates. If I am contacted by someone and they are polite, take the time to tell me a little about themselves then I am more likely to want to meet them.
Eg. "I'm 39, shy around women and a little too loud when out with the boys. I work in the trades which you'd think would mean I'm good with my hands but judging by the number of cuts and bruises on me I'm not sure that is true. I like puppies and my facebook feed is filled with cats... though that is really because all of my friends post cats... constantly. I'm more of a dog guy, preferably dogs that are bigger than cats."
It's not a remarkable write up or anything but I'd respond to it as it would start a conversation and it tells me the person is trying to be conversational, friendly and open. I would be more likely to respond with something personal about myself because they took the time to write more than a simple sentence and I would also think this is a guy I could probably spend some time with so I'd want him as a client, the guy who says "I have money, looking for x, y and z, do you offer it and will you work for it?" I may actually be the type of person he is looking for but I don't see his personality and I wonder if he is someone I want to spend time with. If my time is limited I am going to focus my time and attention on the client that I think I will have a better connection with, the first client, because I think I will enjoy spending time with him.


Now as you have asked the question a few times I will respond to the question what do Dr's make and is it comparable to what you are offering.
My apologies to the Terb Dr's for posting your salaries here.
The short answer is yes a Dr. can make that much but it is on the high end, basically you would be looking at approx. $400k/yr assuming a 40hr work week (find me a Dr. that works a 40hr work week?!?) at 200/hr. Now what you are not taking into consideration is that this is a Dr's salary but not their billable hours. That I know of there isn't a public record (anyone?) of what each Dr in a hospital bills out, so perhaps an oncologist will divide their time between research and clinical work they are only billing for a portion of that time but will still receive a salary for all of it. A companion is self-employed so they are only paid for the hours they bill but not for the time they spend on administrative tasks or in downtime which I can confirm is a significant portion of that time. In addition an independent companion must pay for all of her overhead herself, now as you are looking for ladies that do not have marketing (assuming you want simple cell phone photos) then it's simply clothes, lingerie, transportation, phone and basic up-keep that she will be paying for but all of that can still add up quickly and that comes out of the gross income. A Dr (unless he is an independent business owner) will have that come out of the billable hours - basically it goes towards running the hospital, clinic, etc. - but the salary as posted is what he takes home... well before taxes.
I could go into a bit more detail but hopefully that covers the basics.
I am not saying it's not a decent salary but it's not comparable to what a Dr. will make simply because the business models don't really match up, you'd have to get into a lot more detail before I think one can make that comparison as most of our healthcare in Canada is public sector and working as an escort is anything but. She only makes as much money as she works, as you wanted a "semi-pro" then she likely doesn't work very often and this may be her sole source of income and she would not be paid anything near what a Dr. would as he is salaried. (and working long ass hours!)

Finally a few little thoughts that came to mind as I read your posts, I don't know how long it took you to meet your first regular lady but most guys here will tell you that search can sometimes be exhausting so it's not just you. Finding a person you click with in this industry is just like finding someone you want to date, you need chemistry, so you have to give it some time and be patient. Yes sometimes you luck out and meet the right lady on your first try but often you end up having a few not so good dates, a few good ones (but not amazing) and sorting through a lot of ads that just do nothing for you before you find someone that really captures your interest, be patient.
Also simply because you are posting on BP and it's very easy access to a lot of ladies consider the timing of your ad. If you post at the end of the month there are going to be a lot of ladies that will scan it and respond simply because they are desperate for the money, rent is due, phone is due, the kids still need food and bills need paid. It's unfortunate but a lot of people just don't have enough to go around and at the end of the month the panic sets in. This may not be ideal for what you are looking for, if you want someone that is going to be reliable, that will be there month to month (or however often) then you probably want someone that is considering this as an ongoing option not as an act of desperation. Try posting during the second week of the month, let it run for the third week and then remove the ad and wait it out, take the two weeks to review the responses you got (or meetings you had) and make changes to your ad to see if you can improve your responses for either a few more or a better quality.

Good luck!