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blackrock13 said:
Like I said lazy. You continuously want other people to do your work
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How much work is it to just post a link??!

Also, speaking of work, I have exactly that to do, which is work. I dont work as a security guard who has time for 21.99 posts per day
 
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Anways, I did some googling and I cant find a Toronto sex-offender list online that has every perverts name listed complete with address
 
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Anways, I did some googling and I cant find a Toronto sex-offender list online that has every perverts name listed complete with address
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Thats because they are protected from people like me.

Andy
 
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I guess you still haven't got a figure for how many lives are ruined by pedophiles, so you're off on another tangent.

You analog is whacked, big time. It's not 'okay', whatever the hell that means, it's is more often than not one of the hardest decisions good government and its people make. As Wynn Dyers put it in his award winning anti war series WAR, in most cases soldiers volunteer to put themselves in harms way and heading into a war zone is often part of that of that decision. No one is volunteering to be put on trial erroneously found guilty of a crime they didn't commit.
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My analogy is not whacked, and the fact you take that approach shows you are not interested in discussion, just in winning an argument.
It is only a tangent if you don't see the relevance or the connection.

In regards to the numbers, I already stated that those numbers probably do not exist because they are likely not statistics that
are deemed important enough to be kept.

Would you say that any of those soldiers who volunteer would also tell you they volunteer to be killed???

The point is that everyday we already sentence people to death as a society. Whether it be soldiers, police officers, or making a decision that a
surgical procedure is too expensive for us to pay for, and these are just the obvious ones that I can think of over a short period of time. Our government makes decisions to implement policy that
has terrible effects on a certain geographical area, or industry, essentially putting people out of jobs etc. without regard for how many innocent people are affected.

Why is it so horrendous that a few people might be wrongly sentenced to death??

As far as the "it's not okay, whatever the hell that means". What it means that like most of us, you take this fact for granted.
When a soldier dies, you will grieve etc, but I don't see you making a fuss about sending our people out to warzones.
You will say "war is a terrible thing" or some other rationalization, but what you are not saying is "we can't sentence innocent men to die".
The logic can only be that you are okay with sentencing innocent men to die, but you are not ok with sentencing convicted people to death?
 
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slowandeasy said:
My analogy is not whacked, and the fact you take that approach shows you are not interested in discussion, just in winning an argument.
It is only a tangent if you don't see the relevance or the connection.

In regards to the numbers, I already stated that those numbers probably do not exist because they are likely not statistics that
are deemed important enough to be kept.

Would you say that any of those soldiers who volunteer would also tell you they volunteer to be killed???

The point is that everyday we already sentence people to death as a society. Whether it be soldiers, police officers, or making a decision that a
surgical procedure is too expensive for us to pay for, and these are just the obvious ones that I can think of over a short period of time. Our government makes decisions to implement policy that
has terrible effects on a certain geographical area, or industry, essentially putting people out of jobs etc. without regard for how many innocent people are affected.

Why is it so horrendous that a few people might be wrongly sentenced to death??

As far as the "it's not okay, whatever the hell that means". What it means that like most of us, you take this fact for granted.
When a soldier dies, you will grieve etc, but I don't see you making a fuss about sending our people out to warzones.
You will say "war is a terrible thing" or some other rationalization, but what you are not saying is "we can't sentence innocent men to die".
The logic can only be that you are okay with sentencing innocent men to die, but you are not ok with sentencing convicted people to death?
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They wouldn't put it in those words, but they would say they volunteer to put themselves in harms way.The death rate and killing capacity of modern warfare does make it volunteering to be killed. I gather you aren't familiar with Gwynne Dyer and his award winning series/book. It was first put out in the late 80's.

Recently reissued;

http://www.amazon.ca/War-New-Gwynne...id=1384791976&sr=8-1&keywords=gwynne+dyer+war
 
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Thats because they are protected from people like me.

Andy
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A few years ago, I tried to see if I can get a list of registered offenders who lived in my building. I asked around to a few other parents
to see if they could find out. To my surprise, some parents acted like it might not be a good idea. I guess ignorance is bliss.
 
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So I ask you, how many of these sick fucks are there in TO? Three people haven't been able to answer the simple question so far. The eye for an eye atitude went out of style with the prison strap, lopping off of hands and the door cage. It's been proven, capital punishment will not diminish the occurrence of serious crime. It just make 'you' feel good.
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If the answer to the question is so simple for you, then please provide it.

We are not talking about "style". More correct wording would be that research seems to indicate that capital punishment will not diminish etc...
It has not been proven, and I am not sure that it can be proven one way or the other. The claims that I have seen about "proving" that capital
punishment does not work seem full of flaws. Essentially, the one that I am thinking about took a particular state's murder
rate before and after capital punishment was implemented, and drew their conclusions.

As far as "feeling good", I am sure that there is some euphoria initially, but in the long term, I doubt anyone who is the victim or family of a serious
crime "feels good".
 
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slowandeasy said:
My analogy is not whacked, and the fact you take that approach shows you are not interested in discussion, just in winning an argument.
It is only a tangent if you don't see the relevance or the connection.

In regards to the numbers, I already stated that those numbers probably do not exist because they are likely not statistics that
are deemed important enough to be kept.

Would you say that any of those soldiers who volunteer would also tell you they volunteer to be killed???

The point is that everyday we already sentence people to death as a society. Whether it be soldiers, police officers, or making a decision that a
surgical procedure is too expensive for us to pay for, and these are just the obvious ones that I can think of over a short period of time. Our government makes decisions to implement policy that
has terrible effects on a certain geographical area, or industry, essentially putting people out of jobs etc. without regard for how many innocent people are affected.

Why is it so horrendous that a few people might be wrongly sentenced to death??

As far as the "it's not okay, whatever the hell that means". What it means that like most of us, you take this fact for granted.
When a soldier dies, you will grieve etc, but I don't see you making a fuss about sending our people out to warzones.
You will say "war is a terrible thing" or some other rationalization, but what you are not saying is "we can't sentence innocent men to die".
The logic can only be that you are okay with sentencing innocent men to die, but you are not ok with sentencing convicted people to death?
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So you try and quantify something and then make excuse foe the number which have no basis.

Where were you when we were discussing the death penult for murderer? Did you express the same 'execute them all, so what if some are innocent attitude then' in that thread?

We don't sentence police and soldiers to death. Consider how few actually die in service. If you think I don't fuss over sending soldiers to war, you must have missed my comments on troops being sent to Afghanistan. Clearly you point of what I apparently think isn't that logical or true.

You clearly are making things up.
 
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slowandeasy said:
If the answer to the question is so simple for you, then please provide
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He cant answer, because he doesnt have the answer.

He couldnt provide Canadian jurisdictions where its illegal to videotape people, and he cant provide a sex-offenders list of Toronto. He's full of shit, an obvious troll with his 21.99 posts per day
 
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Phil C. McNasty said:
He cant answer, because he doesnt have the answer.

He couldnt provide Canadian jurisdictions where its illegal to videotape people, and he cant provide a sex-offenders list of Toronto. He's full of shit, an obvious troll with his 21.99 posts per day
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I can, but I won't spoon feed you as you continual ask to do. There is a difference, that you obviously can't or don't care to see.

I even told you where you could find it on TERB.
 
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blackrock13 said:
I can, but I won't spoon feed you as you continual ask to do. There is a difference, that you obviously can't or don't care to see.

I even told you where you could find it on TERB
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You're full of shit
 
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Just to show how full of shit dumbrock is: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/tops-opst/bs-sc/nsor-rnds/index-eng.htm

National Sex Offender Registry

The public does not have access to the National Sex Offender Registry. It is a database maintained by the RCMP that provides Canadian police services with important information that will improve their ability to investigate and prevent crimes of a sexual nature
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Phil C. McNasty said:
He cant answer, because he doesnt have the answer.

He couldnt provide Canadian jurisdictions where its illegal to videotape people, and he cant provide a sex-offenders list of Toronto. He's full of shit, an obvious troll with his 21.99 posts per day
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Sex offenders lists are not made public unless the police themselves decide to publicize the location of a sex offender. Your observation regarding Blackcrock is correct, not only a troll but probably also a Mod and dullard. Finding a Mod who is not a troll/dullard must be very difficult.
 
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It's simply a variation of the mice vs baby question on research. There is no winning answer. If you are a member of a family who father, son, or whomever is wrongly executed or jailed, one doe in error is too many.

The tax example is another example of how ignorant people can think, little more. People in prison do not have more status/rights. One very important right was taken away, their ability to come and go as they wish. They ware told when to eat, when to sleep and when they can do something as simple as watch tv. Try it some day, see how you feel.

Your 'kill what you eat' analogy is off the chart silly, sorry.
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What is a mice v baby research?

You seem to miss the point of the examples, they are not offered as proof of anything other than to try to clarify and to
show you how skewed people's thinking can be. They are not meant to be precise.

I agree (to some extent) that one wrongly convicted or executed person is too many.. that is not the point of the discussion.

Criminals have more rights in the eyes of the law than their victims. The reason you don't seem to understand is that the victims rights
have already been taken away by the perpetrator. In fact, a very important right was already taken away, and that is their right to
live in peace and without fear of being the victim of a crime. After writing this, I have come to realize just how heinous that crime really is.
What happens to the victim and their family? They might be offered some counselling, but they are expected to continue their life.
The criminal on the other hand has access to a huge amount of resources and protections. The perpetrator might have his/hers
rights taken away for a short period of time. The victim and their families have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
 
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So you try and quantify something and then make excuse foe the number which have no basis.

Where were you when we were discussing the death penult for murderer? Did you express the same 'execute them all, so what if some are innocent attitude then' in that thread?

We don't sentence police and soldiers to death. Consider how few actually die in service. If you think I don't fuss over sending soldiers to war, you must have missed my comments on troops being sent to Afghanistan. Clearly you point of what I apparently think isn't that logical or true.

You clearly are making things up.
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Remember my original post asked you to keep an open mind.

Please do not post something so intellectually dishonest as "you try and quantify something.... ". It just makes you look bad.

I tried to frame the parameters of the discussion. Right now you are just regurgitating ideas and concepts.
You using the one or two things that have resonated with the anti-death penalty groups. So you try to paint all
with one broad stroke and conclude, it is a bad idea. With that type of thinking, modern medicine consist of
giving all patients one pill to cure them of every illness.

The parameter so far has been:
- people convicted of sexual crimes against very young children (very young meaning under the age of 12)
- possibly repeat offenders;
 
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