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LoveThemGirls

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What I mean is if Burke gets Liles back, then he's saying he didn't make a mistake by signing him to that contract, he'd be standing behind the value of it, but that's just wishful thinking on my part. I like Liles, he's a solid player and deserves better, he will never get a chance to play under Carlyle, I'd guess he's too small for his liking. Nonis may have to do what Nashville did when they had to dump Lombardi's contract and had to throw in Franson to the Leafs, he may have to package a good solid young prospect along with Liles for a mid rounder just to get the cap room.

I'd hate to see Liles rot away in the pressbox for another full year. Wonder if they'll put him on waivers. Guess we'll see before the opener on Tuesday how Nonis will get under the cap.

After not really seeing the Wings much for the past decade, last night's game was an eye opener. They look like a well oiled machine, crisp, fast, no dickheads or pussies on the Wings (unlike the Sabres, my most hated team by a country mile).
 

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And both swings were directed at the skate blades, no body parts. He was intentionally trying to avoid injuring Scott. Just get him to back off.
I dont think at the blades. One swing was directed at the little piece on the back of the right skate that connects the blade to the boot and one was directed at the front part of the right boot that has extra protection.

Or, he was just swinging his stick low without directing it at any particular targets
 

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And what were Kessel's options other than backing up and defending himself as he did ?

1) fight Scott ?
2) turtle ?
3) get down on his knees and beg ?

He had a right to defend himself. If I were about to be attacked by a 6'8" 270lb dude, I'd have done the same thing. I'd have used a knife if I had to.
4) Skate away? Or is Scott too fast for him?
 

gcostanza

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Many Leaf fans (and maybe a few Sens fans) would also include # 11 in that mix.
Puhleeze.

#11, as you call him, was an unrestricted free agent, free to sign with whatever team he wanted.
#11 gave Ottawa a chance to negotiate a contract before he looked elsewhere.
#11 got a better offer, and went to Detroit. Good for him.
 

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I like Alfredsson, not many players in NHL history have played close 20 years in the league at such a high level. So what he hit Tucker from behind, Domi did worse to Niedermeyer. And he made a mock gesture pretending to throw his stick into the crowd after Sundin actually threw his into the stands one game, it was a bit of ribbing to his friend. And I'm willing to bet 99% of the sheep at the ACC have no idea why they boo him, they just do it because everyone else does.

As for Bertuzzi, maybe he's a dickhead maybe he's not. He made one horribly bad decision with Moore but I'm sure he didn't mean to do the damage that he did. Should he be forgiven? It's not up to me. I haven't seen him enough in the last 10 years to see what kind of player he is now, but he hasn't been suspended or involved in any controversy in the last few years (that I know of anyways). Is he still being sued by Moore?
 

gcostanza

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I like Alfredsson, not many players in NHL history have played close 20 years in the league at such a high level. So what he hit Tucker from behind, Domi did worse to Niedermeyer. And he made a mock gesture pretending to throw his stick into the crowd after Sundin actually threw his into the stands one game, it was a bit of ribbing to his friend. And I'm willing to bet 99% of the sheep at the ACC have no idea why they boo him, they just do it because everyone else does.

As for Bertuzzi, maybe he's a dickhead maybe he's not. He made one horribly bad decision with Moore but I'm sure he didn't mean to do the damage that he did. Should he be forgiven? It's not up to me. I haven't seen him enough in the last 10 years to see what kind of player he is now, but he hasn't been suspended or involved in any controversy in the last few years (that I know of anyways). Is he still being sued by Moore?
Is Alfredsson a saint?

No, but Leafs fans concerned about 1 hit from behind by #11 to Tucker, Sideshow Bob made a career out of (how shall I say this?).....playing on the edge.

Sundin thought the fake stick toss was hilarious.

The assault on Moore by Bertuzzi is not the only time Todd has crossed the line, just the most vicious, and obviously high profile.

And, yes, the legal case continues to drag along.....more than 9 years since the assault.
 

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Its always amusing when Leafs fans bring this up considering the half dozen or so as serious or more serious assaults they had in the playoff runs around those years.... remember the Leafs-Isles series.

EDIT - should be some... as some fans are more reasonable.
 

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I don't understand Clarkson's actions, the leafs and Sabres will meet several times this season so there's plenty of time to settle a score. I read TSN's post game commentary and even Randy Carlyle was quoted as saying it was a stupid, selfish move by Clarkson now we will not have him in the lineup for the first 10 games. Interestingly Paul Bisonette of the Coyotes just got 10 games for leaving the bench to start a fight, he has said he will appeal but good luck with that. Just don't see these things happen much anymore. I remember the 70's fondly and all the bench clearing brawls the Flyers would get into, god I loved it being just a kid. Funny thing is now I'm 50 and over the years I've really lost all interest in hockey especially after Bettman took over and ruined everything.
Interesting, Paul Bissonette has won his appeal and his 10 game suspension for leaving the bench and starting a fight has been reduced to 3 games. He claimed he was on a legal line change just before he went after a LA King player who had knocked out one of Bissonette's teammates with a cheap shot.
 

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So Colborne traded for a 4th or 3rd rounder to Flames, guess the rumours were true. Didn't know his stock had fallen so low, drafted in the mid-first round just after Karlsson. Looks like a cap move, guess there wasn't room for him and he couldn't be sent down or he'd be claimed off waivers and Leafs would've gotten nothing.
 

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4) Skate away? Or is Scott too fast for him?
In real life situation turn and walk away from trouble may be the best option; but in that game they were lining up shoulder to shoulder and if Kessel turned and tried to skate away, he risked being grabbed from behind, or to have Scott chasing him around the rink ? How would he look to his teammates and the fans ?

The three exhibition game suspension (for the second slash I'd say) was more a reward than punishment as Shannahan wouldn't want to validate the goon-on-skill-player tactic with any regular game suspension.

There were some second guessing on Carlyle's decision to put Kessel out in that situation. While his intentions (to defuse the situation and not to risk having a mismatch ) were good, another player like Kulemin who is not known for fisticuffs might have been wiser than risking your best player.
 
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