18 shot in 4 hours in attacks across Chicago
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Perhaps cause it doesnt turn into a MASS shooting if the person is stopped?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit
You`re laughing uncontrollably.Perhaps cause it doesnt turn into a MASS shooting if the person is stopped?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/10-potential-mass-shootings-that-were-stopped-by-someone-wit
In fifteen years, you show me nine cases, some of which involve distraught teens, stopped by 6 private gun owners and 3 who are cops or off-duty officers.
In the same fifteen years, I bet there were way more people who died from incidents involving mass shootings or multiple murders by gun-wielding madman in the USA.
Hardly a justification for private gun ownership as a public safety measure.
I sooo agree with you on gun laws , you can't compare them to US
When most Americans have a hand gun in there home .
Proud to be Canadian
A lot of would-be crimes that get stopped by legal gun carriers never go reported. There is no statistic that can capture that. Best estimates are somewhere between 1,000,000 and 2,500,000 crimes every year averted (in the U.S.).
You do realize there are between 10,000,000-20,000,000 guns in canada depending on who you ask, eh?
So much for the illusion that we're somehow different.
you are clueless
If you own a gun and I do not, the odds are just that much greater that someone in your house gets shot
A drive by shooting in Chicago, kinda like Al Capone and his boys.
Some gangster got offended by a rival gang, didn't take his Ceroquil and decided to shoot 'em up. If the shooter had killed 2 people and missed everyone else, this item wouldn't be newsworthy internationally.
I own a block full of Henckell knives which means the odds are just that much greater that someone in my house gets stabbed.
American communities with high legal gun ownership are the safest to live in. Without these gun owning law abiding citizens, crime and homicides would increase. Therefore gun ownership reduces gun violence. The thousands of lives saved every year due to this fact justifies private gun ownership.
If you go through all the research objectively one inescapable conclusion jumps out.
All the pro and anti gun studies struggle enormously with potential sources of bias. Controlling for poverty, education, unemployment, racism, drug use, the prevailing crime rate, it is hard. Somebody thinks they found some evidence, but someone else shows it was actually just overlooked differences in employment rates, racial mix, and so on. It happens to both sides in the debate all the time.
So many factors are capable of obscuring the impact of gun policy on gun crime and this really becomes obvious the more of these studies you read.
And that is the real conclusion:
Gun policy just doesn't matter much to gun crime. Almost any other factor that caused crime swamps the impact of gun policy on the murder rate.
Solving crime by changing gun policy is ineffective. No matter whether you loosen policy to allow more guns, or ban them, you won't make much difference.
Instead real solutions are to be found in addressing racism, alleviating poverty, improving education, providing jobs.
But neither the pro nor anti side of the debate wants to hear that. The pro side want concerned carry. The anti side want a ban. Neither side wants to solve crime by helping disadvantaged youth find a job.
All the pro and anti gun studies struggle enormously with potential sources of bias. Controlling for poverty, education, unemployment, racism, drug use, the prevailing crime rate, it is hard. Somebody thinks they found some evidence, but someone else shows it was actually just overlooked differences in employment rates, racial mix, and so on. It happens to both sides in the debate all the time.
So many factors are capable of obscuring the impact of gun policy on gun crime and this really becomes obvious the more of these studies you read.
And that is the real conclusion:
Gun policy just doesn't matter much to gun crime. Almost any other factor that caused crime swamps the impact of gun policy on the murder rate.
Solving crime by changing gun policy is ineffective. No matter whether you loosen policy to allow more guns, or ban them, you won't make much difference.
Instead real solutions are to be found in addressing racism, alleviating poverty, improving education, providing jobs.
But neither the pro nor anti side of the debate wants to hear that. The pro side want concerned carry. The anti side want a ban. Neither side wants to solve crime by helping disadvantaged youth find a job.
Given the high rate of gun ownership in the U.S., then the U.S. must be the safest country in the world.
If you look at outlander's link, you see FBI stats show a higher violent crime rate in the southern states. The same states with more liberal gun laws.
And actually, the crime RATE in Chicago and New York are less than, say, Flint, MI, once you take into account the size of their respective populations.
And actually, the crime RATE in Chicago and New York are less than, say, Flint, MI, once you take into account the size of their respective populations.
More people die each year from improper hand washing - and passing germs, viruses and disease - than by guns. Wash your hands people.
