Blue Jays, 2013 edition

[Dawgger]

Any views on how the September call-ups will affect the off season and next year?

Here's my take so far:

Pillar back down to AAA for more seasoning.
Gose a maybe to stay up next year, but good speed and fielding.
Sierra will definitely stay up, w more work on his defence, if his hitting stays good.
Goins - definitely stays up unless his hitting totally collapses.

This probably means that Izturis is dealt. At this point, I think they are going to showcase Melke next spring and try and get a deal.

With reasonable outings from Rogers, Redmond and Happ, I think the Jays may try and package Dickey as well. The Rogers Centre may just not be a good place for him to pitch given his tendency to give up long flies.

Agreed on Goins. Defense is outstanding, hitting is the concern. As long as he isn't an automatic out he stays.
Pillar not ready for major league hitting but he sure looks promising as he has been successful in the minors. Defensively he is fine.
Sierra, no doubt gets a shot especially if Davis doesn't return. He will have to improve defensively and has the physical tools to do it.
Gose will depend on what happens with Rasmus and Davis. If they don't trade Rasmus he could be part of a trade for a starter and or a catcher.
I disagree on the starters. Of the 3 I think Redmond has the most upside. Happ scares me, I don't think he is anymore than a 5 inning pitcher.
He has to cut down on the pitches per inning. Roger has to get consistent. He has his moments but.....
The good news is there are lots of guys that think they can compete for a spot (competion is always good)and there is AA pitcher that is real close.
Don't know if these guys will get her done but I expect Dickey and Burhle to return.
I read an article on Josh Johnson suggesting he was better than his numbers and could/should be offered a contract. I am skeptical!

I can see a number of guys being traded, including Isturis, Lind Arencebia and/or Thole, Ramsus or Gose, DeRosa ,some of the relievers. I don't expect massive changes
but you may need a program on opening day.

 

[mandrill]

I think Rasmus is untouchable and is considered a future face of the franchise / all star. Of course, everything depends on what comes back the other way. But AA might want to be a little more conservative from here on in, if he values his career. He has got a pass on his fail for last off season, but I think he is on a short leash.

 

[saxon]

Agree he would help immensely. Making $12,000,000. this year and probably looking for next year. If the Jays were able to sign McCann who would they keep as back up?

Thole, he's Dickey's catcher and he comes cheap.

 

[gcostanza]

Did you catch Drabek against the Twins? Did not record an out and couldn't find the plate. Hope it was nerves but he showed nothing encouraging.

Happier with today's outing?

2i 0h Or 0er 3k 31p 17 for k's

 

[Dawgger]

Happier with today's outing?

2i 0h Or 0er 3k 31p 17 for k's

Yes that was a real nice outing and very encouraging. I was surprised he came out for the second inning as the first was so good.
I was concerned after he plunked the batter but he hung tough and got the side out stranding the runner at third.
It has to be great for him mentally because that first outing had to be worrisome.

 

[Dawgger]

I think Rasmus is untouchable and is considered a future face of the franchise / all star. Of course, everything depends on what comes back the other way. But AA might want to be a little more conservative from here on in, if he values his career. He has got a pass on his fail for last off season, but I think he is on a short leash.

Rasmus is in line for a big contract, which is why I thought they may shop him. So assuming you are right and they believe Rasmus to be all star material, do they shop Gose?

 

[Dawgger]

Thole, he's Dickey's catcher and he comes cheap.

My guess is McCann could probably catch Dickey. McCann will catch just over 100 games this year. Is Thole adequate to catch 60 to 65 games a year or if you sign Mccann do you trade JP and Thole and pick up.... say Jose Molina?

 

[mandrill]

Rasmus is in line for a big contract, which is why I thought they may shop him. So assuming you are right and they believe Rasmus to be all star material, do they shop Gose?

Well, let's see. They need 4 or 5 OF's. Bautista, Rasmus, Sierra for sure. Then, do they let Davis go? Do they deal Melke? If they do both, they need a 4th OF. So do they pick up a utility guy and keep Gose at AAA, or bring Gose up? If they keep Melke or Davis, there might be a log jam.

If I'm AA, I lean towards dealing Melke depending on how he plays in spring training. Currently, he has a reduced trade value. Davis might vote with his feet, if he feels he gets more $ and playing time elsewhere.

 

[Don Draper]

If I'm AA, I lean towards dealing Melke depending on how he plays in spring training. Currently, he has a reduced trade value. Davis might vote with his feet, if he feels he gets more $ and playing time elsewhere.

If Melky heals properly he could be a great DH and play outfield twice a week letting one of the younger kids play. His health will be monitored from now to spring training.

Lind could be dealt for a younger arm seeing as Encarnacion could always play first base and his bat is essential to the team.

 

[busterhut]

Baseball is a 162 game season, yet many of you are reacting to every inning like its crucial. Who cares how Drabek fares in his first appearance back from surgery? Who says Sierra is a lock for next year because he is hot for two weeks. Some of the stuff on here is amazing-Happ, Redmond and Rogers look good enough that they can shop Dickey, etc.
This team needs starting pitching desperately, they don't need to shop a 200 inning guy who is a .500 pitcher on a team with a sub-par record.

 

[Dawgger]

If Melky heals properly he could be a great DH and play outfield twice a week letting one of the younger kids play. His health will be monitored from now to spring training.

Lind could be dealt for a younger arm seeing as Encarnacion could always play first base and his bat is essential to the team.

I now have mixed emotions on Melky. I thought he disappointed through the tear and then read about the tumor being removed from his spine, which had to negatively effect his play. I guess it all depends on what you are offered for him.

 

[Dawgger]

Who cares how Drabek fares in his first appearance back from surgery?

The team cares and a lot of fans care. While he has had two outings since his recall he was rehabbing in the minors and the reports were positive. His initial outing here was scary but 1 outing does not prove much. Second outing was very good. Don't forget Drabek originally arrived here with a lot of fanfare and much was expected from him. I for one really would like to see him succeed.

 

[busterhut]

I agree, but one inning is a useless sample of his potential. Why bother commenting ? You basically refuted my comment and then made essentially the same point.
At what time do we stop the micro-analyzing? I remember EE's first swing this year and it was brutal. Clearly that would show that he would have a brutal year. Maybe????

 

[mandrill]

If Melky heals properly he could be a great DH and play outfield twice a week letting one of the younger kids play. His health will be monitored from now to spring training.

Lind could be dealt for a younger arm seeing as Encarnacion could always play first base and his bat is essential to the team.

Lind's statistics against RHP's are top twenty in the AL, IIRC and he is coming on pretty hot right now. Hard to deal that. Melke OTOH is at best a questionable commodity, given age, health and the PED's factor.

 

[mandrill]

Baseball is a 162 game season, yet many of you are reacting to every inning like its crucial. Who cares how Drabek fares in his first appearance back from surgery? Who says Sierra is a lock for next year because he is hot for two weeks. Some of the stuff on here is amazing-Happ, Redmond and Rogers look good enough that they can shop Dickey, etc.
This team needs starting pitching desperately, they don't need to shop a 200 inning guy who is a .500 pitcher on a team with a sub-par record.

Dickey is what he is. He has a decent ERA in the low 4.00 range and a .500 w/l. That's hardly Cy Young and it may be that Rogers Centre isn't his best venue, given his tendency to give up HR's this year. Anyone of the 3 new guys could post that record, or close to it, if they develop well.

 

[Dawgger]

I agree, but one inning is a useless sample of his potential. Why bother commenting ? You basically refuted my comment and then made essentially the same point.
At what time do we stop the micro-analyzing? I remember EE's first swing this year and it was brutal. Clearly that would show that he would have a brutal year. Maybe????

That is a real good comparison. EE's first swing of the 2013 season vs Drabek's first inning pitched in the majors in 2013. EE in 2012 had the best season of his career. Kyle Drabek in 2012 has the second Tommy John surgery of his career, most of which has been spent in the minors or on the DL.:frusty:

 

[Don Draper]

Lind's statistics against RHP's are top twenty in the AL, IIRC and he is coming on pretty hot right now. Hard to deal that. Melke OTOH is at best a questionable commodity, given age, health and the PED's factor.

True. Not saying that it's not.

However, if you had to part with a bat, you'd let Lind go first rather than EE. That's just obvious. If you could get a good young arm out of Lind in a deal, then it's worth it.

 

[Dawgger]

True. Not saying that it's not.

However, if you had to part with a bat, you'd let Lind go first rather than EE. That's just obvious. If you could get a good young arm out of Lind in a deal, then it's worth it.

if you could get a good young player, pitcher preferably, for Melky and Lind it would be worth it!

 

[Samantha Jones]

Enjoy

 

[Perry Mason]

My thinking is that if either Gose or Sierra can make the team, then Cabrera becomes the (more or less full time) DH and Lind is expendable.

And Lind plus one of the better bullpen arms (and the BJ's are rich in that department right now) should fetch a pretty good SP... not an Ace, but a good #2 or #3. If so, Dickey could be traded for an Ace unless the BJ's brass think that he can and will do much better next year.

Much to my disappointment, I think Davis will find more playing time and money elsewhere as a free agent, so he is gone... especially if Gose can make the team.

And I also think Goins will stick... unless his bat freezes, which I doubt: his defence is just too good. But, then, Rasmus will have to hit for average and power, as he was expected to do as a 5 tool player.

Also, I am wondering who the BJ's are getting for Bonifacio... or the deal with the Royals could be sweetened to give the BJ's another good SP. I would add Dickey to the package to get Shields. Dickey would do very well in KC, m'thinks.

BTW, Bonifacio is doing well in KC: batting .302, OPS .753 and 14 stolen bases in 32 games and just 116 AB's... I still think he is a gamer and did not get a fair chance here.

Perry