Charlie Manuel fired as Phillies manager today. Will he be interested in managing the Jays? Or, are will still a believer in Gibby for another season?
Blue Jays, 2013 edition
- Thread starter Perry Mason
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The Phillies are all about result. But Charlie may be getting a little old for managing and I don't number him amongst the best managers in the game.
I am a believer too...
I believe I am.
Like W.C. Fields, I believe I will have another whiskey.
And I also believe we badly need another manager!
Perry
I believe I am.
Like W.C. Fields, I believe I will have another whiskey.
And I also believe we badly need another manager!
Perry
I'm not a Gibbons fan and I hear a lot of people suggesting he needs to be replaced. Does anyone have any idea as to who should replace and what that candidate will bring to the table?
Its fine to say he has to go but who is out there that the Jays can get that would be an adequate replacement?
lol ~ don't hate on me for my love of Mune buuuuut....
Blue Jays with Kawasaki: 39-32
Without Kawasaki: 17-32
just say'n....
(btw - he's off on Paternity leave. A little Kawasaki is on the way and being born in Toronto)
Word is that he's staying on for 2014 as a back-up infielder - Yay!
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I love your love for Kawasaki...lol. So cute.
You always do your home work to make sure your reasons are justified like your stats on the jays win loss record with and without him....love it....lol
Gibby is 100% safe for the start of next year. Waaay to many things beyond his control to put the blame on him. Next year might be a bit different. Despite the fact baseball managers have very little to do with how a team peforms, if the guys are healthy next year gibby will take the fall as it's a results driven buisness and someone has to take the fall for it.
I hope the team does well next year so gibby can stick it in everyone's face. Of course, nobody will talk about what a good manager he is if they start winning.
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On the contrary, if the team is performing poorly it does reflect on the job the manager has done. It's his job to manage the talent and the Jays have enough talent to warrent a better record, after all that's why they call him the "manager".
The "manager" has was less impact in baseball than other team sport. The "manager" fills out the line up card, makes a few pitching changes here and there, and few other little moves.
Your talent is going to dictate your record waaaay more then your manager skills in baseball. It's not like hockey or basketball where putting the right guys on the ice, at the right time with the right team mates is crucial to how the team performs. Baseball is a team sport based on individual performances.
Oh, stop patronizing Jennifer the Great...
She has more interesting Jays insights than all you Little Scamps combined.
Although I agree with your assessment of managers' impact, I still think they will let him go.
AA is spending enough money that his rep with ownership is really going to be on the line next year. He'll get a mulligan for this year but a repeat of this season could be it for his young career. He can't afford to find out if this was a fluke year for Gibbons or what you see is what you get. As others have said, Gibby may have not been the problem but he definitely proved he did not have the answers to right the ship.
Just my opinion but I feel he can't afford the gamble, loyalty or not.
What??? Shack and I agree on something??? What's the world coming to? lol
I guess only time will tell if the one year window was to small for gibby. I'll stick to my guns saying he is here 100% for the start of next year.
This year -
1. Dickey - back pains and difficulties adjusting to the AL and Skydome. Reasonable pitching much of the time, but tendency to get hit hard when batters connect.
2. Johnson - persistent injury issues and adjustment issues.
3. Morrow - injured all season.
4. Happ - injured most of season.
5. Melke - injured about half season; adjustment issues; ? whether is effective wo PED's.
6. Lawrie - injury issues; ineffective batting until last month or so.
7. Lind - Same Old Story.
8. Rasmus - ineffective batting until all star break.
9. Arencibia - low average.
10. Bautista - injury issues; relatively less effective batting than in his superstar seasons.
11. Reyes - injured for 1/2 season.
How much of this was actually Gibbo's fault?
1. Dickey - back pains and difficulties adjusting to the AL and Skydome. Reasonable pitching much of the time, but tendency to get hit hard when batters connect.
2. Johnson - persistent injury issues and adjustment issues.
3. Morrow - injured all season.
4. Happ - injured most of season.
5. Melke - injured about half season; adjustment issues; ? whether is effective wo PED's.
6. Lawrie - injury issues; ineffective batting until last month or so.
7. Lind - Same Old Story.
8. Rasmus - ineffective batting until all star break.
9. Arencibia - low average.
10. Bautista - injury issues; relatively less effective batting than in his superstar seasons.
11. Reyes - injured for 1/2 season.
How much of this was actually Gibbo's fault?
More intriguing issue is whether we can guess what AA will do in the off season. Here are my predictions:
1. Lind - gone. His average and production have been abysmal since the All Star break. Can be replaced more cheaply.
2. Melke - gets another year to see if he can make the grade without PED's.
3. Johnson - gone.
4. Dickey - probably cannot pitch consistently at Skydome. Will be traded for a younger arm.
5. Buehrle - keeper.
6. Davies - BJ's will offer, but are not committed to keeping him an using him everyday.
7. Redmond and Rogers - Will get a serious audition at Spring Training for a low end rotation slot.
8. 2nd base - would be nice to upgrade, but not vital. Jays may well stick w what they have already.
9. OF - Bautista and Rasmus are locks, of course. Melke gets 3rd slot or DH's with Lind gone. Gose and Pillar will get serious audition, probably w lots of work in the Arizona Fall League to prep them.
10. Catcher - I think Jays are committed to developing Arencibia.
11. 1B - Encarnacion, of course.
1. Lind - gone. His average and production have been abysmal since the All Star break. Can be replaced more cheaply.
2. Melke - gets another year to see if he can make the grade without PED's.
3. Johnson - gone.
4. Dickey - probably cannot pitch consistently at Skydome. Will be traded for a younger arm.
5. Buehrle - keeper.
6. Davies - BJ's will offer, but are not committed to keeping him an using him everyday.
7. Redmond and Rogers - Will get a serious audition at Spring Training for a low end rotation slot.
8. 2nd base - would be nice to upgrade, but not vital. Jays may well stick w what they have already.
9. OF - Bautista and Rasmus are locks, of course. Melke gets 3rd slot or DH's with Lind gone. Gose and Pillar will get serious audition, probably w lots of work in the Arizona Fall League to prep them.
10. Catcher - I think Jays are committed to developing Arencibia.
11. 1B - Encarnacion, of course.
IMO these are just excuses. Every team has injuries, it's part of the game. I'm not saying it's the managers fault but pointing out injuries doesn't give the team or the manager a pass.
100 page thread. Don't know where to find the discussion of baseball players being pussies for not playing with injuries. Hello Rocky.
Claude Giroux out 5-6 weeks from an injured finger while playing golf? That's even less innocuous than running to first base. And I guess it means he will miss a good chunk of training camp.
What's becoming of playing through minor injuries? After all, it's only a finger. He can still skate and hit and park himself in front of the goalie.
Claude Giroux out 5-6 weeks from an injured finger while playing golf? That's even less innocuous than running to first base. And I guess it means he will miss a good chunk of training camp.
What's becoming of playing through minor injuries? After all, it's only a finger. He can still skate and hit and park himself in front of the goalie.
