Blue Jays, 2013 edition

[Perry Mason]

You guys are forgetting that Halladay left with, practically, the blessing of the BJ's because he wanted to have a chance to earn a World Series ring and the BJ's were not then inclined to spend the bucks to put a contending team together... they were rebuilding and waiting for their young talent to develop.

As I recall, he suggested he would remain with the BJ's if they committed to build a contending team while he was still at the top of his game.

And that is a much different story than the greedy mercenary some of you are painting him to be.

Perry

 

[shack]

You guys are forgetting that Halladay left with, practically, the blessing of the BJ's because he wanted to have a chance to earn a World Series ring and the BJ's were not then inclined to spend the bucks to put a contending team together... they were rebuilding and waiting for their young talent to develop.

As I recall, he suggested he would remain with the BJ's if they committed to build a contending team while he was still at the top of his game.

And that is a much different story than the greedy mercenary some of you are painting him to be.

Perry

Why must you bring in facts?

 

[gcostanza]

You guys are forgetting that Halladay left with, practically, the blessing of the BJ's because he wanted to have a chance to earn a World Series ring and the BJ's were not then inclined to spend the bucks to put a contending team together... they were rebuilding and waiting for their young talent to develop.

As I recall, he suggested he would remain with the BJ's if they committed to build a contending team while he was still at the top of his game.

And that is a much different story than the greedy mercenary some of you are painting him to be.

Perry

Well said Perry, thank you.

 

[Perry Mason]

Why must you bring in facts?

Yeah... that's always a bitch, ain't it!

It really confuses people with very strong opinions...

Perry

 

[Nad Smith]

Hey lets get back to the real games. Absolutely wrong for Gibbons to take Dickey out after 7. I know its easy to play the result, but your supposed ace goes as long as he can...and with the score tied a strong possibility of extra innings - wait another inning before going to bull pen. He should have at least faced Cespedes the right hand batter. Also, sadly I think the reason contending teams werent looking to get Oliver is that he just cant throw hard enough any more to get hitters out. One season too many?

 

[blackrock13]

Hey lets get back to the real games. Absolutely wrong for Gibbons to take Dickey out after 7. I know its easy to play the result, but your supposed ace goes as long as he can...and with the score tied a strong possibility of extra innings - wait another inning before going to bull pen. He should have at least faced Cespedes the right hand batter. Also, sadly I think the reason contending teams werent looking to get Oliver is that he just cant throw hard enough any more to get hitters out. One season too many?

Oliver has made a career of not throwing hard. It boils down to location, location, location.

 

[black booty lover]

So I asked this question a while back but didn't get too many reponses so I'm going to ask it again as I'm curious to hear different perspectives.

What do you with this team? I mean, the core of this team are signed for next few years.

 

[shack]

So I asked this question a while back but didn't get too many reponses so I'm going to ask it again as I'm curious to hear different perspectives.

What do you with this team? I mean, the core of this team are signed for next few years.

Since we haven't spoken to any other GM's we do not know which players are available via trade, what the other GM's are asking for and we do not know how much the available FA's are asking for.

All are vital information in regards to what options are available to the team. Aside from saying which Jays should be let go, we have absolutely zero idea what is available to replace them with.

 

[insidevoice]

Looks like they still need starting pitching. Then again, what MLB team is not looking for starting pitching? Although the Dickey/Buehrle/Johnson infusion has to be deemed as a major disappointment, where would they have been without those three? I mean, there is not much starting pitching depth on this squad. I think their position players have a chance to gel next year should the team remain assembled as is but seeing as they need pitching help, that's not likely to happen. I wouldn't be surprised to see perhaps a JP or Lawrie dealt in an attempt to shore up their pitching needs. I don't think a huge rebuild is in the cards for them though.

 

[black booty lover]

I don't think a huge rebuild is in the cards for them though.

Ya I don't think so either, but if your not going to blow the thing up and do a rebuild, you've to commit to paying for a few more big names don't you think?

 

[Dawgger]

Ya I don't think so either, but if your not going to blow the thing up and do a rebuild, you've to commit to paying for a few more big names don't you think?

They need starters desperately!( Happ today so far 2 innings 1 run (home run) 44 pitches). He will be lucky to make it to the 5th. Rogers and Johnson are about the same. Dickey and Burhle are adequate. They also need a catcher and a second baseman. Jays also need a bench. They don't have a lot of prospects to trade but they have a few relievers that might get them some help and I think Rasmus and Lind could be used as trade bait along with JP and Bonafacio. Rasmus will be in line for a big payday with the numbers he is putting up and Gose is in Buffalo. Davis is ufa. Some help may be found in the free agent market but pitching is scarce everywhere.
If you scrap what you started it will take years to get back to having a nucleus. They have some key pieces now but they need to improve in lot of areas if they are going to be a legitimate contender. I wish AA lots of luck cause I think he is going to need it

 

[gcostanza]

They need starters desperately!( Happ today so far 2 innings 1 run (home run) 44 pitches). He will be lucky to make it to the 5th.

Today's start might have been J.A. Happ's best start as a Blue Jay.

7 innings, 1R 1ER 3H 2BB 6K, 116 pitches, at 1 point retired 14 straight.

 

[Dawgger]

Today's start might have been J.A. Happ's best start as a Blue Jay.

7 innings, 1R 1ER 3H 2BB 6K, 116 pitches, at 1 point retired 14 straight.

As Yogi says "It ain't over 'til its over" I should have waited before I stuck that up as he did pitch better as the game progressed.
I am frustrated at seeing Jays pitchers with 40 or more pitches in what seems to be every game, which gets the bull pen going. The bull pen is starting to hurt from being overworked.
Frustrating year.

 

[Perry Mason]

44 games to go...

Now, if the BJ's can go 38 and 6 the rest of the way they will probably get a Wild Card spot. :biggrin1:

This season is turning out worse than a horrible nightmare... every one is taking turns giving games away... makes me wonder who/what they will have to build on next year!

And, yes, I am even more convinced that Gibbons is a big part of this fiasco. As I have said before, he may be a nice guy but he is a horrible manager.

Perry

 

[mandrill]

Well that happens when things are going badly.

On the bright side, Lawrie, Rasmus and Bonifacio are hitting better. Bautista is showing signs of the fearsome Bautista of old. Johnson had a decent start at least, as did Happ. Buehrle is fine. And Dickey is working on his tendency to give up HR's.

For a team which looked ready to play in AA in April and May, that's something to build on.

Clearly the season is lost. OTOH, we have 6 weeks to assess whether Johnson is worth hiring back, whether Dickey can pitch in Skydome or should be traded and to let the younger players develop a little more.

 

[ZeroSumPlus]

44 games to go...

Now, if the BJ's can go 38 and 6 the rest of the way they will probably get a Wild Card spot. :biggrin1:

This season is turning out worse than a horrible nightmare... every one is taking turns giving games away... makes me wonder who/what they will have to build on next year!

And, yes, I am even more convinced that Gibbons is a big part of this fiasco. As I have said before, he may be a nice guy but he is a horrible manager.

Perry

Last Man Standing who can think straight, baby...
No, there is nothing to "build on"...
When some idiot paid Josh+Mark a Base Salary of $25,750,000 USD.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/salaries/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays

And let's face it...
John Gibbons has never won a damn thing in his life...
Why would THIS GUY be the choice to lead this bunch to the playoffs?

None of it makes any sense. Just wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibbons

 

[busterhut]

Last Man Standing who can think straight, baby...
No, there is nothing to "build on"...
When some idiot paid Josh+Mark a Base Salary of $25,750,000 USD.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/salaries/_/name/tor/toronto-blue-jays

And let's face it...
John Gibbons has never won a damn thing in his life...
Why would THIS GUY be the choice to lead this bunch to the playoffs?

None of it makes any sense. Just wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibbons

Where were you at the beginning of the season to tell us that Josh would be this bad, etc. Why were the rest of the baseball idiots on board with the Jays' off season moves, when someone as simple as yourself could clearly see the error of their ways.
Do you really think, seriously, that Gibbons has been responsible for 30 or so losses ? Are you that stupid to think that any manager has that much impact?

BTW-what have you won in your life, LOL
Just wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Absolute_Asshole

 

[Insidious Von]

The Jays have been a snake bitten club recently, let's hope that changes when they convert to natural turf. This season is a write off, but this club is actually no that far away from the playoffs. AA will have to be shrewd in the off-season.

 

[mynameisearl11]

If you are a truly jays fans,you just have to look at what happened to the red sox and the dodgers from last season. Those two mentioned teams are in first place as we speak. So,let's hope baseball's god will do the same thing to the jays for next season No major changes needed to be made if you believe in the baseball's god.

 

[black booty lover]

I don't know what it is with this team....they can never gel at the same time, they get a good start, the offence disapears or casy jansen who was lights out in the earlier part of the year, now struggles. They show up with bats, and the starter gets rocked or the bull pen blows it....