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Rockslinger

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Many times a season, players catch a thrown pass where the ball has broken the boundries of the field, is 'out of bounds', yet because the player's feet are inbounds, it is ruled a 'complete pass'.
Yes, I am aware of the feet inbound rule but didn't remember offhand if one foot or both feet had to be inbound.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_feet_must_touch_to_be_a_legal_catch
"In the NFL, a receiver must have both feet land inbounds for the catch to be legal. In college ball, a receiver must have only one foot land in bounds for the catch to be legal."

IMO, outfielder reaching over the fence to "pull back a home run" is analogous to a hockey goalie reaching over the goalline to catch a puck to "pull back a goal".
 

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Yes, I am aware of the feet inbound rule but didn't remember offhand if one foot or both feet had to be inbound.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_feet_must_touch_to_be_a_legal_catch
"In the NFL, a receiver must have both feet land inbounds for the catch to be legal. In college ball, a receiver must have only one foot land in bounds for the catch to be legal."

IMO, outfielder reaching over the fence to "pull back a home run" is analogous to a hockey goalie reaching over the goalline to catch a puck to "pull back a goal".
A difference is that rinks and goals are standardized in hockey, not so baseball.

In fact there used to be no fences at all in baseball and a fielder could run as far as he wanted/needed to to catch a ball. The fence is an artificial (not physically) and very arbitrary barrier. If you can get your glove on it it is fair game.
 

Butler1000

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we all believed...now JJ can win a few...but only 5 innings???
He was up over 85 pitches I think. And Gibby didn't want to press him. A lot of JJ's issues I think have been confidence. This will help buid it up a bit. I have tickets for saturday. Not sure if there is an off day in between so I either get him or Dickey.

Wow though. 4 errors. Not a nice thing to do to King Felix.
 

blackrock13

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This 10 game road trip could end in a plus with a win tomorrow. Not bad, considering the start. Look at the pitchers they beat, no slouches.
 

gcostanza

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He was up over 85 pitches I think. And Gibby didn't want to press him. A lot of JJ's issues I think have been confidence. This will help buid it up a bit. I have tickets for saturday. Not sure if there is an off day in between so I either get him or Dickey.
Saturday's scheduled starters are Buerhle (7-7) vs Griffin (10-8)
 

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JJ was obviously nervous as hell in the 1st inning. I think it was a matter of just quitting while he was on top, so as to keep his spirits as high as possible.

If he gets back to this form, the $14 million might start looking like $ well spent again.
 

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I figured by 10:30 I would shut the TV off and call it a night. Coudn't stop watching as I kept waiting for Johnson to come apart. Didn't happen. The defense was stellar and helped him out big time. He got the win and actually showed he can pitch. Still needs to show some consistency to earn the quailfying offer.

Lawrie really coming around. Bat is a lot better and his defense is excellent.
 

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J. A. Happ back in lineup tonight. Looks like he will take Redmond's spot in the rotation.
 

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Couldn't really tell from the replay but that ball might have actually "broke the plane" when Rasmus caught it. Great catch!
 

gcostanza

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Doesn't matter. If you have read the posts above on this subject, it would still be an out.

And, the ball was not close to breaking your precious plane.
Still a great catch. That wall is 8' high so I think it is possible for an outfielder with a leap and an outstretched arm to "pull back a home run" that did break the plane. Maybe it will still happen in this series.
 

busterhut

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Yes, I am aware of the feet inbound rule but didn't remember offhand if one foot or both feet had to be inbound.http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_feet_must_touch_to_be_a_legal_catch
"In the NFL, a receiver must have both feet land inbounds for the catch to be legal. In college ball, a receiver must have only one foot land in bounds for the catch to be legal."

IMO, outfielder reaching over the fence to "pull back a home run" is analogous to a hockey goalie reaching over the goalline to catch a puck to "pull back a goal".
Many of baseball's rules are predicated on where the ball is when it actually touches the ground or passes a certain point. Balls that have not actually yet landed in the field of play are judged by where they first hit the ground, a wall or a player. There are some strange rules but they are quite clear. If a ball passes a bases in the air above fair territory but lands in foul territory it is a foul ball. If a ball passes the outfield wall in the air above fair territory but lands in the seats in foul territory it is a fair ball. Doesn't make sense in some ways, but it is very clear in the rules.
In hockey a goal doesn't have to land in the net, it just has to break the plane of the goal line. In baseball the ball has to land in the seats. Strangely enough, if a ball hits a player in the field of play and bounces directly over the fence in fair territory it is a homerun. Again, a strange rule but clearly stated in the rulebook.
 

blackrock13

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Many of baseball's rules are predicated on where the ball is when it actually touches the ground or passes a certain point. Balls that have not actually yet landed in the field of play are judged by where they first hit the ground, a wall or a player. There are some strange rules but they are quite clear. If a ball passes a bases in the air above fair territory but lands in foul territory it is a foul ball. If a ball passes the outfield wall in the air above fair territory but lands in the seats in foul territory it is a fair ball. Doesn't make sense in some ways, but it is very clear in the rules.
In hockey a goal doesn't have to land in the net, it just has to break the plane of the goal line. In baseball the ball has to land in the seats. Strangely enough, if a ball hits a player in the field of play and bounces directly over the fence in fair territory it is a homerun. Again, a strange rule but clearly stated in the rulebook.
RS might claim that this would be an assisted HR because it had help, needing an asterix.
 

gcostanza

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Many of baseball's rules are predicated on where the ball is when it actually touches the ground or passes a certain point. Balls that have not actually yet landed in the field of play are judged by where they first hit the ground, a wall or a player. There are some strange rules but they are quite clear. If a ball passes a bases in the air above fair territory but lands in foul territory it is a foul ball. If a ball passes the outfield wall in the air above fair territory but lands in the seats in foul territory it is a fair ball. Doesn't make sense in some ways, but it is very clear in the rules.
In hockey a goal doesn't have to land in the net, it just has to break the plane of the goal line. In baseball the ball has to land in the seats. Strangely enough, if a ball hits a player in the field of play and bounces directly over the fence in fair territory it is a homerun. Again, a strange rule but clearly stated in the rulebook.
To clarify, if a hit strikes a defensive player, the above is true.

Should a hit strike a baserunner, that runner is out, which happened last night in the Seattle/Toronto game....I'm looking at you, Adam Lind.
 

busterhut

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To clarify, if a hit strikes a defensive player, the above is true.
True. The likelihood of a ball striking a baserunner and bouncing over the fence in fair territory is unlikely enough that it probably eliminated the necessity to mention that it needed to be a defensive player.
 
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