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GPIDEAL

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I copy that as to Kevlar not being knife-proof but HE'S IN AN EMPTY STREETCAR. IF THEY MISS HIS LEG, YOU THINK THAT BULLET WILL RICOCHET UNSAFELY?

If this was ONE cop, then I can understand that he's not going to take a chance trying to shoot his leg, BUT you have many cops.

(Fuji, if I'm standing still, do you think you can hit my leg from 15 feet away with your side arm?)


If it's not standard operating procedure to shoot the leg unless by ETF, then the cop may not be at any fault.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
I copy that as to Kevlar not being knife-proof but HE'S IN AN EMPTY STREETCAR. IF THEY MISS HIS LEG, YOU THINK THAT BULLET WILL RICOCHET UNSAFELY?

If this was ONE cop, then I can understand that he's not going to take a chance trying to shoot his leg, BUT you have many cops.
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Yes, ricochet through a window, a bystander, a police officer, etc.

You have heard of stories of idiots shooting their guns in the air and the bullets killing civilians, right?
 
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We seem to be taking fate of a man with dick in one hand and knife in another too close to heart.
 
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Yes, ricochet through a window, a bystander, a police officer, etc.

You have heard of stories of idiots shooting their guns in the air and the bullets killing civilians, right?
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You don't shoot in the air when you're aiming for his leg. Our old streetcars are built like tanks. What about those nine shots? Did they all hit home? Bullets can go thru people too and then ricochet.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
You don't shoot in the air when you're aiming for his leg. Our old streetcars are built like tanks. What about those nine shots? Did they all hit home? Bullets can go thru people too and then ricochet.
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Yes ... especially through a leg then through ..... :rolleyes:

Streetcars may be tanks. But what about the windows?


This isn't a PS3 shooter game dude?
 
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GPIDEAL said:
Seriously though, it makes you wonder what was going on in his mind. He may have been high or something.
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Could be. At least we get another loser-leeching punk off the streets.
Who knows how many lives the police save that day (and in the future).
 
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Yes ... especially through a leg then ..... :rolleyes:

Streetcars may be tanks. But what about the windows?


This isn't a PS3 shooter game dude?
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Come on His leg is below the level of windows. I know it's not a video game. I know a side arm does not have a laser scope, etc. but one would think that a second copper could just take his time to aim for the guy's thigh. (That could kill him too if he severs an artery and bleeds to death).
 
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Could be. At least we get another loser-leeching punk off the streets.
Who knows how many lives the police save that day (and in the future).
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Don't forget that he allowed the bus to empty and didn't harm any civilians.

I don't think you can just write off this guy as a future terrorist or murderer.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
Seriously though, it makes you wonder what was going on in his mind. He may have been high or something.
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Well that's the downside of getting high I suppose. You can jump off a building or get hit by a bus or be shot by a cop.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
Don't forget that he allowed the bus to empty and didn't harm any civilians.

I don't think you can just write off this guy as a future terrorist or murderer.
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i think thats right.

i can understand the first three shots, its the pause and the seven more that need explanation.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
I copy that as to Kevlar not being knife-proof but HE'S IN AN EMPTY STREETCAR. IF THEY MISS HIS LEG, YOU THINK THAT BULLET WILL RICOCHET UNSAFELY?...
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Considering (as CL pointed out) you already know cops are trained to shoot at the center of mass, are you suggesting that they ignore their training?


Besides, a severed femoral artery will mean death almost as quick as a bullet through the heart.
 
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Considering (as CL pointed out) you already know cops are trained to shoot at the center of mass, are you suggesting that they ignore their training?


Besides, a severed femoral artery will mean death almost as quick as a bullet through the heart.
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No and yes I know (I said that too). It's just frustrating.
 
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GPIDEAL said:
You don't shoot in the air when you're aiming for his leg. Our old streetcars are built like tanks. What about those nine shots? Did they all hit home? Bullets can go thru people too and then ricochet.
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I imagine that bullets can still penetrate the sheet metal and windows of a steetcar as well as the variety of other materials inside like the poles. So aiming for anything else other than centre mass would be risky. I also believe that police and military are trained to take multiple shots to the centre mass to make sure the target goes down.

Another thing to keep in mind is that only one officer could have been inside the doorway at the time and had a clear view of the suspect. The others could not have taken shots because their view would be obscured by the officer in the doorway or by the streetcar itself. Even if an officer entered the street car from the rear doors, he likely could not take a shot for fear of hitting his fellow officer at the front or the bullet missing and going through the window or the skin of the streetcar.
 
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I just love it that the bleeding hearts (on and off this forum) have painted the cops a group of gun slinging thugs, opening fire at poor innocents on their way to Sunday school and Choir practice.:rolleyes::hand:

The cops job is to serve and protect.

The way I see it, a knife wielding lunatic was prevented from harming anyone.

WTF was this guy on the streetcar with a lethal weapon to begin with? :Eek::confused:

Lets not condemn the cop for doing his job, until all the facts are in.
 
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Wow, I am amazed at how some people know exactly what was going on. I guess mojak is the medical examiner and has watched the streetcar's security cam.



p.s. Watching the video, he did clearly step towards them just before being shot.
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Didn't pass the probationary period...something about inappropriate touching of the cadavers with man-mades....
 
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