Was Mother Teresa a jerk? You bet.

[Robinto]

I can't believe the bitching of people on this post. I'm not catholic but this was a woman who gave her life trying to alleviate the suffering of the poorest of the poor in a country where the government refused to help. That's right, India's own government turned deaf ears to the people in Calcutta. There was no one else who would help and however she did it, at least she DID out of selflessness. Her only worldly possessions were a bucket and a towel when she died. Se spent her entire life helping the forgotten, however in her own way, and just by the very nature of her doing so, alleviated their suffering a little when no one else would. Remember, India was a shit hole 20 yrs ago. Don't put your blinders on, they wouldn't help their own people and to this day still ignore the plight of the truly poor. It's a rich county and they continue to fuck the most down trodden in the ass eagerly.

Her only mistake was dying the same week as princess diana, and we all know who the media darling was that week.

I'm ashamed at some of you.

Well, fuck you too, Jack.

Society should not be obliged to convey automatic respect to people who become professionally religious, anymore than we should respect people who devote their lives in basements studying astrology, ghosts, UFOs, or the life of Justin Bieber.

These latter folk, we automatically assume are a bit cracked, and we don’t or shouldn’t trust them. And rightly consider them unfit for public office.

Should I admire someone who goes away to live in a cave for the contemplation of God, or despise him for a fool? Or pity him for the neurosis that drove him there.

Consider the Babylonians. Their civilization kicked ass for two thousand years. Their priests worshiped a guy called “Marduk” whom no one has mentioned for at least that long now. I think we can all reasonably agree, that Marduk was bullshit, and that those priest just wasted their time, and their lives in a foolish pursuit.

Many choose a life of professional religious quackery because it’s a job. It’s a lifestyle, and ultimately, even though its supposed to be about service, its really all about them. Their souls, and their future in heaven.

An Islamist blows himself up partly to serve god, and partly to get the virgins.

Macleans magazine said that as many as half of catholic priests might be gay. Think about it. What might a devout catholic teenager do when he finds himself compulsively thinking about cock, and a future eternity in hell?

I wonder what the stats are like for nuns? What the percentage of childhood abuse was like.

Some of them are running from something. Their sinful, (sexual thoughts, desires for instance.) Or they’re atoning for some act, or they’re just plain nuts. And want to marry Jesus.

I’d rather put my head in a toilet, than try and wrap it around the mind of a young woman who wants to marry Jesus.

I am a Catholic, Jack. I'm not happy about it, but while you can be fired, you’re absolutely not allowed to quit. (Believe me, I checked.)

I went to a Catholic public school as a child, and I remember the nuns who taught me. I don’t have a single positive memory of a single one of them. But I vividly remember more than a few complete assholes. I can remember nasty, brutish, ignorant, bitter… but not a single joyful, happy, serene one in the whole bunch.

Even at the age of eight, I remember thinking, “There is something seriously warped, and fucked up about all these broads…”

 

[Aardvark154]

It's true that others were executed in the Nazi death camps. Gypsies, homosexuals, retarded people, refugees and partisans but 90% of them were Jews. In Edith Stein's case she was none of these others. In her case she was killed solely because she was a Jew. But the Catholic church put another spin on it to justify their cannonization of her as a saint.

Around 11 million people were murdered during the Holocaust of that just under six million were Jews, but there were also two million ethnic Poles, one and half million Romani/Gypsies, between two and three million Soviet POWs not to mention the handicapped, aristocrats, homosexuals, and religious dissenters among others.

 

[Buick Mackane]

Saints should be cannonized instead of canonized. :thumb:

 

[FAST]

Has outgrown its usefulness

Well, fuck you too, Jack.

Society should not be obliged to convey automatic respect to people who become professionally religious, anymore than we should respect people who devote their lives in basements studying astrology, ghosts, UFOs, or the life of Justin Bieber.

These latter folk, we automatically assume are a bit cracked, and we don’t or shouldn’t trust them. And rightly consider them unfit for public office.

Should I admire someone who goes away to live in a cave for the contemplation of God, or despise him for a fool? Or pity him for the neurosis that drove him there.

Consider the Babylonians. Their civilization kicked ass for two thousand years. Their priests worshiped a guy called “Marduk” whom no one has mentioned for at least that long now. I think we can all reasonably agree, that Marduk was bullshit, and that those priest just wasted their time, and their lives in a foolish pursuit.

Many choose a life of professional religious quackery because it’s a job. It’s a lifestyle, and ultimately, even though its supposed to be about service, its really all about them. Their souls, and their future in heaven.

An Islamist blows himself up partly to serve god, and partly to get the virgins.

Macleans magazine said that as many as half of catholic priests might be gay. Think about it. What might a devout catholic teenager do when he finds himself compulsively thinking about cock, and a future eternity in hell?

I wonder what the stats are like for nuns? What the percentage of childhood abuse was like.

Some of them are running from something. Their sinful, (sexual thoughts, desires for instance.) Or they’re atoning for some act, or they’re just plain nuts. And want to marry Jesus.

I’d rather put my head in a toilet, than try and wrap it around the mind of a young woman who wants to marry Jesus.

I am a Catholic, Jack. I'm not happy about it, but while you can be fired, you’re absolutely not allowed to quit. (Believe me, I checked.)

I went to a Catholic public school as a child, and I remember the nuns who taught me. I don’t have a single positive memory of a single one of them. But I vividly remember more than a few complete assholes. I can remember nasty, brutish, ignorant, bitter… but not a single joyful, happy, serene one in the whole bunch.

Even at the age of eight, I remember thinking, “There is something seriously warped, and fucked up about all these broads…”

When my brother who is left handed, was going to a catholic grade school, the nuns would smack him on his left hand with a ruler,...because,...well everybody knows that some how relates to the devil.
They will find some way to make you "suffer for your sins" that you haven't even thought of.
Screwed him up for the rest of his life.
Religion is perpetuated by the selfish, domineering, brain washers and power hungry.

FAST

 

[Petzel]

Sounds like that somehow irritates you.

Nope, just telling it the way I see it. I don't care that she was made a saint..........just telling the facts that I know.

 

[Petzel]

When my brother who is left handed, was going to a catholic grade school, the nuns would smack him on his left hand with a ruler,...because,...well everybody knows that some how relates to the devil.
They will find some way to make you "suffer for your sins" that you haven't even thought of.
Screwed him up for the rest of his life.
Religion is perpetuated by the selfish, domineering, brain washers and power hungry.

FAST

True. I know someone else who was a lefty and in school the nuns actually tied his left arm around his back to force him to use his right hand. Yes they stupidly believed that left handedness was a sign of the devil.

 

[Petzel]

One condition of sainthood miracles is that the corpse of said saint is preserved from decay and corruption.

 

[Yoga Face]

What planet are you living on?

many of the cathedrals resulted in peasant revolt against onerous taxes

that is a fact

I believe it was Chartes they burned down to stop the taxes so it had to be rebuilt

 

[jazzpig]

Well, fuck you too, Jack.

Society should not be obliged to convey automatic respect to people who become professionally religious, anymore than we should respect people who devote their lives in basements studying astrology, ghosts, UFOs, or the life of Justin Bieber.
These latter folk, we automatically assume are a bit cracked, and we don’t or shouldn’t trust them. And rightly consider them unfit for public office.

Should I admire someone who goes away to live in a cave for the contemplation of God, or despise him for a fool? Or pity him for the neurosis that drove him there.

Consider the Babylonians. Their civilization kicked ass for two thousand years. Their priests worshiped a guy called “Marduk” whom no one has mentioned for at least that long now. I think we can all reasonably agree, that Marduk was bullshit, and that those priest just wasted their time, and their lives in a foolish pursuit.

Many choose a life of professional religious quackery because it’s a job. It’s a lifestyle, and ultimately, even though its supposed to be about service, its really all about them. Their souls, and their future in heaven.

An Islamist blows himself up partly to serve god, and partly to get the virgins.

Macleans magazine said that as many as half of catholic priests might be gay. Think about it. What might a devout catholic teenager do when he finds himself compulsively thinking about cock, and a future eternity in hell?

I wonder what the stats are like for nuns? What the percentage of childhood abuse was like.

Some of them are running from something. Their sinful, (sexual thoughts, desires for instance.) Or they’re atoning for some act, or they’re just plain nuts. And want to marry Jesus.

I’d rather put my head in a toilet, than try and wrap it around the mind of a young woman who wants to marry Jesus.

I am a Catholic, Jack. I'm not happy about it, but while you can be fired, you’re absolutely not allowed to quit. (Believe me, I checked.)

I went to a Catholic public school as a child, and I remember the nuns who taught me. I don’t have a single positive memory of a single one of them. But I vividly remember more than a few complete assholes. I can remember nasty, brutish, ignorant, bitter… but not a single joyful, happy, serene one in the whole bunch.

Even at the age of eight, I remember thinking, “There is something seriously warped, and fucked up about all these broads…”

I suggest you reread JackBurton's thread instead of looking for some platform to express your hostility towards religion.

"...this was a woman who gave her life trying to alleviate the suffering of the poorest of the poor in a country where the government refused to help. That's right, India's own government turned deaf ears to the people in Calcutta. There was no one else who would help and however she did it, at least she DID out of selflessness..."

He's not acknowledging her for being religious, he's acknowledging her for helping people in the worst conditions on the planet.

 

[Petzel]

Robinto, yes you can leave your religious vocation. You can get an official dispensation from your vows. It happens more often than you think. I actually know of an ex-priest and ex-nun who met, fell in love and both renounced their vows and left to get married.

 

[red]

I believe it was Chartes they burned down to stop the taxes so it had to be rebuilt

i don't think this is true

 

[james t kirk]

True. I know someone else who was a lefty and in school the nuns actually tied his left arm around his back to force him to use his right hand. Yes they stupidly believed that left handedness was a sign of the devil.

As an aside, I work with a lot of Engineers.

You'd be AMAZED how many of them are left handed.

 

[james t kirk]

Robinto, yes you can leave your religious vocation. You can get an official dispensation from your vows. It happens more often than you think. I actually know of an ex-priest and ex-nun who met, fell in love and both renounced their vows and left to get married.

That doesn't mean that they are not still catholics.

You can't quit the Catholic church. Oh, you don't have to go, you can take up worshipping Lucifer, you can be the next serial killer - but the church considers you catholic.

The only way you can leave the Catholic church is if it leaves you. (i.e. you get excommunicated. I have no idea what it would take for that to happen to you.)

 

[Yoga Face]

i don't think this is true

i saw it on a documentary about the great cathedrals of europe

peasants would revolt against a generation of taxes (it took a lifetime to build a cathedral in medieval europe)


it might not have been Chartes they burnt down but it was one of them as they got fed up with the taxes

 

[red]

As an aside, I work with a lot of Engineers.

You'd be AMAZED how many of them are left handed.

i guess the nuns were right, then

 

[red]

i saw it on a documentary about the great cathedrals of europe

peasants would revolt against a generation of taxes (it took a lifetime to build a cathedral in medieval europe)


it might not have been Chartes they burnt down but it was one of them as they got fed up with the taxes

it might have happened just not at chartres

 

[Robinto]

I suggest you reread JackBurton's thread instead of looking for some platform to express your hostility towards religion.

"...this was a woman who gave her life trying to alleviate the suffering of the poorest of the poor in a country where the government refused to help. That's right, India's own government turned deaf ears to the people in Calcutta. There was no one else who would help and however she did it, at least she DID out of selflessness..."

He's not acknowledging her for being religious, he's acknowledging her for helping people in the worst conditions on the planet.

She worked in a shithole hospice in India, because it was her job.
Priests and nuns are assigned jobs, and Mama T was assigned the job of working in a hospice. Sadly, it was her deranged interpretation of church doctrine, that led her to deny basic analgesics to her charges, and that led to an incomprehensible level of unnecessary suffering for all those poor bastards under her care.

It continues to this day, in her cult’s hospices in the US. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/11728

“Mother Teresa has a San Francisco hostel named the Gift of Love, for homeless men with HIV. They are not allowed to watch TV or smoke or drink or invite friends, not even when they are dying and so of course are exceptionally depressed. One man said how afraid he was of dying without morphine. It is hard to find anyone with a good word to say for the Gift of Love.”

She became a superstar in life, and deified in death, by the same publicity machine that turns a random cute boy spotted on facebook into an international icon.

There are still some 50 million dollars worth of donations left in a charity set up in her name. During the time that she came to basically run her little Catholic spin-off cult, there was plenty of money to provide for morphine drips, except Mamma T decided that suffering will do these poor sinners more good.

The real good, was in the millions of people who kicked out the millions of dollars. Dollars that will be eventually absorbed by the Vatican to buy more gold plate. If that money had gone to a reputable charity, real competent professionals, and or volunteers, could have done infinitely more good.

 

[Aardvark154]

One condition of sainthood miracles is that the corpse of said saint is preserved from decay and corruption.

Perhaps in the Roman Catholic Church, certainly not true of Orthodoxy.

 

[JackBurton]

I suggest you reread JackBurton's thread instead of looking for some platform to express your hostility towards religion.

"...this was a woman who gave her life trying to alleviate the suffering of the poorest of the poor in a country where the government refused to help. That's right, India's own government turned deaf ears to the people in Calcutta. There was no one else who would help and however she did it, at least she DID out of selflessness..."

He's not acknowledging her for being religious, he's acknowledging her for helping people in the worst conditions on the planet.

Ya...once again jazz pig completely missed the point. It helps so much more if one reads my post before responding

 

[SchlongConery]

It's true that others were executed in the Nazi death camps. Gypsies, homosexuals, retarded people, refugees ...

And yet the offspring of these few flourished and we meet daily here on TERB! Especially us retarded gypsies!