Was Mother Teresa a jerk? You bet.

[Yoga Face]

The labourers and the professional craftsman that built the church or supplied material were paid for their work or product and in most cases they were locals. They made money 'before' the church was finished. Outside skilled workers had to lodged and fed and those who did that made money before the the church was finished

What was the name do the documentary/program? The fact that neither you nor I can find any reference should give you an indication that you might be confusing it with another event. There piles of information on the cathedral.

sure the skilled tradesmen of the day ie stonemasons, stained glass makers etc had guilds and were very well paid

but the peasants had to pay their wages ( when indulgences and donations came up short)

do not recall the name of the documentary

it was a few years ago so i am hazy on the details

i could be mistaken that it was Chartes and not another cathedral but i think i am right

 

[jazzpig]

If you like. You can have the point. She was assigned to work in Calcutta. Then after twenty years she split from the organization and worked for herself in a different part of Calcutta, one that smelled even worse.

It was 1946. At the time, all of Calcutta was a mess. Recovering from the famine of ‘43, and WW2.

I made the point that she wasn’t and isn’t the only aid worker in Calcutta, but you ignored it. But she was the only one who didn’t give anesthetics to extreme cases on principle, because, according to her deranged philosophy, “it is the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ.”

Her hospices were props. She refused to spend donation funds on improving conditions there. She’d show the media how shitty things were in her hospices, ask for more money, and spend the money on building new shitty hospices in other places, and thus expand her power base.

No elevators. On principle. No hot water. On principle. Keep the hygiene levels low, it makes for better video, and brings in more money. The pattern continues to this day.

MT was a monster. She was crazy. This is not conjectural speculation. She enjoyed watching people writhing in agony. She called it the "Theology of suffering" and it greatly concerned Rome, but with a skyrocketing media approval rating, and money and converts coming in, they let her have her way.

Can you think of another class of crazy people who enjoy watching people suffer? I can.

This argument is more to the point.
I'm not very aware of the details, I've read up a bit, but it seems that there's quite a bit of it that would stick.
I understand your vehement disdain for her.

 

[blackrock13]

sure the skilled tradesmen of the day ie stonemasons, stained glass makers etc had guilds and were very well paid

but the peasants had to pay their wages ( when indulgences and donations came up short)

do not recall the name of the documentary

it was a few years ago so i am hazy on the details

I could be mistaken that it was Chartes and not another cathedral but i think i am right

Fair enough, there are some amazing books on the subject, Pillars of the Earth aside.

TPL.CA is your friend. Enter cathedrals.

The Spire by Willliam Golding, The Cathedral by JK Huysman, and (oddly enough) The Cathedral by R.M. Rilke are three, the last I believe was specifically about Chartres.

 

[Aardvark154]

Yoga Face, even if true (which everything I've read indicates it isn't) Chartres is still but one cathedral. As mentioned of the 17 Pre-Reformation Cathedrals in England were any of them damaged by riots in the middle ages?

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Years ago, I heard stories of how people would go to India to volunteer to help Mother Theresa out. She would send them to clean out houses and change diapers. She believed that suffering was good for the soul.

 

[Yoga Face]

Yoga Face, even if true (which everything I've read indicates it isn't) Chartres is still but one cathedral. As mentioned of the 17 Pre-Reformation Cathedrals in England were any of them damaged by riots in the middle ages?

i have no idea

all i know is this one documentary that discussed the building of three different cathedrals

 

[Aardvark154]

The Indian government was quite supportive

I
Her hospices were props. She refused to spend donation funds on improving conditions there. She’d show the media how shitty things were in her hospices, ask for more money, and spend the money on building new shitty hospices in other places, and thus expand her power base.

No elevators. On principle. No hot water. On principle. Keep the hygiene levels low, it makes for better video, and brings in more money. The pattern continues to this day.

MT was a monster. She was crazy. This is not conjectural speculation. She enjoyed watching people writhing in agony.

How do you reconcile these two statements, were the Indian Government and the Government of East Bengal knowingly encouraging the mistreatment of patients?

 

[Robinto]

How do you reconcile these two statements, were the Indian Government and the Government of East Bengal knowingly encouraging the mistreatment of patients?

I think it quite improbable that the Indian government knew what was going on at the time, and they should no more be considered responsible than the Canadian govt, should be held accountable for the 47 child murders by Digoxin attributed nurse in Sick Kids Hospital back in 1980-81.**
If you recall, an arrest was made in that case, and the deaths immediately stopped, but prosecution was halted because of lack of evidence, and of course an understandable motive.
However, history is rife with reports of other murders by other nurses and other caregivers.
So-called Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome, is often cited as a reason, and is also attributed to cases of mothers victimizing, (sometimes resulting in the deaths of), their own children.
"Perpetrators are willing to fulfill their need for positive attention by hurting their own child, thereby assuming the sick role by proxy. At times, they are also able to assume the hero role and garner still more positive attention, by appearing to care for and 'save' their child."

These things are elusive and hard to notice, because people tend not to look for them, and often not believe the evidence of their own eyes when they do see patterns.

A visitor to MT's dungeons woud presume that the lack of morphine for example, was attributable to the likelihood that morphine was unaffordable or otherwise unavailable.** It would never occur to a sane person that it was deliberately being withheld for deranged spiritual/ideological/personal reasons.

Mama T runs her congregation exactly like a cult.** High carbs, and not enough of them, lack of rest, social isolation and absolute obedience.

Once in a while, someone breaks away, and talks about life inside, but their voices are drowned out by the relentless media whitewash. http://sparrowsandsandcastles.wordp...for-an-elevator-to-be-built-for-the-disabled/

 

[pointz]

Woot!

 

[Aardvark154]

I think it quite improbable that the Indian government knew what was going on at the time

However, you said that she was quite up front about this. Certainly the nurse at Sick Kids was not.

 

[Robinto]

However, you said that she was quite up front about this. Certainly the nurse at Sick Kids was not.

I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I’m not sure to exactly which of my statements you refer to, because I strongly doubt that she’d ever be so crass as to come right out and say something that might cast her ministry in a negative light. She might be crazy, but she's not stupid. (Except maybe a statement like this in a speech, to rousing cheers, “Let us promise our Lady who loved Ireland so much that we will never allow in this country a single abortion. And no contraception!”)

That’s an RC doctrinal issue, however. And she was speaking to the converted.

Re, the spiritual mysteries of her cult, however, well, heathen moops like you and I just wouldn’t understand. So why would she bother?

I’m sure that on the subject of pain management, she’d either try and put on a positive spin, turn it into a fundraising sound byte, speak in homilies, ambiguities, or change the subject, depending on who she was talking to.

And she wouldn’t spend much time talking to peons like us.

Just out of curiosity, did you look at any of my links quoting people who were in the cult, or watch Penn and Teller’s Bullshit episode, or Christopher Hitchens’ “Hells Angel”, on youtube? The P&T video comments on several alleged quotes from her, by saying "WTF? Did he just say what I think he did?"