Well if that is what you really believe, may I suggest that you haven't given the field a whole lot of study.
Was Mother Teresa a jerk? You bet.
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Actually some of the greatest centers of learning throughout Europe were run by the church. The great libraries of antiquity were saved by the heathen muslims and much of the great sciences of the 8th to the 14th century were centered around universities in the muslim world also guided by the church. Who do you think taught DeVinci latin, math, and geometry in his early years, the church? Who paid his wages while he invented, researched, and created. His financial supporter while he lived was the church and king. Many of the greatest minds of history were taught and supported by the clergy.religion gives solice to many and feeds a lot of poor but i agree with you in principle
they retard science, start wars, create the poor they feed by supporting the ruling classes,
burn witches, persecute gays, oppress sexuality, make people feel guilty for being human, make bitches like Theresa a saint...
Yes, the church did stifle aspect of learning, especially for the poor, but it also support many in their work, studies, and creations. Quiter often the building of a church was a major job creator for all. Few did it for free.
Your list of horrors are also looked at with the eyes of the 21st century and not contemporary eyes. Similar horrors were inflicted by non religious societies as well. We've had this, 'who killed more people, heathens or religious institution', before on TERB and you must have been asleep, as it wasn't even close.
That's pretty good for a Jewish kid.That's not really news. If you study the doctrines of Catholicism, they believe Jesus was glorified in his suffering and death. They also teach the way to salvation is through genuine suffering so you can unite your sufferings to those of Jesus. In order to become canonized to sainthood one of the first conditions is to be persecuted and suffering unto death for your faith.
Actually some of the greatest centers of learning throughout Europe were run by the church. The great libraries of antiquity were saved by the heathen muslims and much of the great sciences of the 8th to the 14th century were centered around universities in the muslim world also guided by the church. Who do you think taught DeVinci latin, math, and geometry in his early years, the church? Who paid his wages while he invented, researched, and created. His financial supporter while he lived was the church and king. Many of the greatest minds of history were taught and supported by the clergy.
Yes, the church did stifle aspect of learning, especially for the poor, but it also support many in their work, studies, and creations. Quiter often the building of a church was a major job creator for all. Few did it for free.
Your list of horrors are also looked at with the eyes of the 21st century and not contemporary eyes. Similar horrors were inflicted by non religious societies as well. We've had this, 'who killed more people, heathens or religious institution', before on TERB and you must have been asleep, as it wasn't even close.
yes i know what you are saying is true
but i take the stance the church claims to be controlled by the word of a perfect god
i fail to see this perfection
their good deeds does not forgive their bad deeds
they built churchs by taxing the poor until they revolted
then claiming they helped the economy by building said church is a retarded economic argument
their beliefs alone retard science let alone their persecutions and it amazes me how someone like Newton was a firm christian to the end spending many hours reading the bible instead of advancing science
what would he have accomplished without this indoctrination that was implanted into his sub conscious when he was a small child ? a brainwashing he could not escape!
is this not child abuse ? to indoctrinate a small child into a vodoo superstition that will control his mind for life and make him feel guilt for being human?
And unless you are his very best friend out in the nine to five, that is a dubious statement for you to make.That's pretty good for a Jewish kid.
What planet are you living on?they built churchs by taxing the poor until they revolted
Yes I'm sure you can't see it.it amazes me how someone like Newton was a firm christian to the end spending many hours reading the bible
Actually some of the greatest centers of learning throughout Europe were run by the church. The great libraries of antiquity were saved by the heathen muslims and much of the great sciences of the 8th to the 14th century were centered around universities in the muslim world also guided by the church. Who do you think taught DeVinci latin, math, and geometry in his early years, the church? Who paid his wages while he invented, researched, and created. His financial supporter while he lived was the church and king. Many of the greatest minds of history were taught and supported by the clergy.
Yes, the church did stifle aspect of learning, especially for the poor, but it also support many in their work, studies, and creations. Quiter often the building of a church was a major job creator for all. Few did it for free.
Your list of horrors are also looked at with the eyes of the 21st century and not contemporary eyes. Similar horrors were inflicted by non religious societies as well. We've had this, 'who killed more people, heathens or religious institution', before on TERB and you must have been asleep, as it wasn't even close.
First of all, there was no King in Italy. Italy was not a country then but rather a group of city-states, as were most of the European countries at the time. DaVinci and Michelangelo were sponsored by the nobility, specifically Lorenzo di Medici and the Medici were bankers and one of them also became a pope. They were the wealthiest family in all Florence. Michelangelo was commissioned by Pope Julius to paint the Cistine Chapel ceiling and the Pope's tomb though. Popes often led Papal soldiers in battle over lands they confiscated for the church. Church taxes and tithes were a source of wealth also.
The church and clergy had knowledge and knowledge is power. In the middle ages the church had all the power in the world, vast wealth and dominance over people's daily lives. They became powerful through control of lands, acquisition of gold and money through vast donations, and knowledge. The only people educated during the medieval times were the nobility and the men of the church. You have to remember that 90% of people were illiterate and lived in a feudal society.
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I'm not sure I understand.And unless you are his very best friend out in the nine to five, that is a dubious statement for you to make.
Actually I don't.
I had a lot of Catholic friends and have been to Catholic weddings, baptisms, confirmations etc. I have also studied and read a lot on various religions as the topic interests me.That's pretty good for a Jewish kid.
As for Newton, read again! He would've been considered a heretic.yes i know what you are saying is true
but i take the stance the church claims to be controlled by the word of a perfect god
i fail to see this perfection
their good deeds does not forgive their bad deeds
they built churchs by taxing the poor until they revolted
then claiming they helped the economy by building said church is a retarded economic argument
their beliefs alone retard science let alone their persecutions and it amazes me how someone like Newton was a firm christian to the end spending many hours reading the bible instead of advancing science
what would he have accomplished without this indoctrination that was implanted into his sub conscious when he was a small child ? a brainwashing he could not escape!
is this not child abuse ? to indoctrinate a small child into a vodoo superstition that will control his mind for life and make him feel guilt for being human?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton
Nonetheless, I'm impressed because you get it on a deeper level.I had a lot of Catholic friends and have been to Catholic weddings, baptisms, confirmations etc. I have also studied and read a lot on various religions as the topic interests me.
Here's how illogical the Catholic church and the Vatican is. They cannonized Saint Edith Stein who was originally Jewish and converted to Catholicism and eventually became a nun. She was then executed in Auschwitz by the Nazis. One of the church's pre-requisites for sainthood is that you must be persecuted and die for your faith. Well she didn't die because she was Catholic. She died because she was Jewish and died in Auschwitz's gas chambers. They try to claim that she died for her faith in Christ, but that's not the truth. She was murdered for being Jewish and not for any other reason. To the Nazis it didn't matter if you had only 1/10th of jewish blood in you.......that was your death sentence.
Well, not everyone killed in the camps were Jewish. Maybe she was just one of those who ticked the guards and commanders off, so they offed her. Unless you have read eye witness accounts or diaries that others haven't. Your explanation is pretty grey and open to interpretation. I'm not a big believer in the Saints in the RC church, but hey, what ever floats their boats on Galilee. I grew up in a Presbyterian householdHere's how illogical the Catholic church and the Vatican is. They cannonized Saint Edith Stein who was originally Jewish and converted to Catholicism and eventually became a nun. She was then executed in Auschwitz by the Nazis. One of the church's pre-requisites for sainthood is that you must be persecuted and die for your faith. Well she didn't die because she was Catholic. She died because she was Jewish and died in Auschwitz's gas chambers. They try to claim that she died for her faith in Christ, but that's not the truth. She was murdered for beng Jewish and not for any other reason.
It's true that others were executed in the Nazi death camps. Gypsies, homosexuals, retarded people, refugees and partisans but 90% of them were Jews. In Edith Stein's case she was none of these others. In her case she was killed solely because she was a Jew. But the Catholic church put another spin on it to justify their cannonization of her as a saint.
That is the truth.Not everyone that offers you a hand wants to help you.
Your examples of how "generous" the church was (they paid Devinci after all, between threatening to burn him at the stake) show exactly what was wrong with the church throughout history. They had all the power and all the money and all the control. If you offered it back to them today, they would take it with glee and shut the world back down.Actually some of the greatest centers of learning throughout Europe were run by the church. The great libraries of antiquity were saved by the heathen muslims and much of the great sciences of the 8th to the 14th century were centered around universities in the muslim world also guided by the church. Who do you think taught DeVinci latin, math, and geometry in his early years, the church? Who paid his wages while he invented, researched, and created. His financial supporter while he lived was the church and king. Many of the greatest minds of history were taught and supported by the clergy.
Yes, the church did stifle aspect of learning, especially for the poor, but it also support many in their work, studies, and creations. Quiter often the building of a church was a major job creator for all. Few did it for free.
Your list of horrors are also looked at with the eyes of the 21st century and not contemporary eyes. Similar horrors were inflicted by non religious societies as well. We've had this, 'who killed more people, heathens or religious institution', before on TERB and you must have been asleep, as it wasn't even close.
Hell, they only forgave Galeleo a few years ago. So much for science if it collides with religious dogma. The church supported science when it suited their purposes.
Sounds like that somehow irritates you.It's true that others were executed in the Nazi death camps. Gypsies, homosexuals, retarded people, refugees and partisans but 90% of them were Jews. In Edith Stein's case she was none of these others. In her case she was killed solely because she was a Jew. But the Catholic church put another spin on it to justify their cannonization of her as a saint.
As an aside, the great Jewish psychologist Viktor Frankl, who was a concentration camp survivor (although many of his loved ones died), believed that there could be meaning to life from suffering.
As for early Chritianity and the Church, anyone watch that TV series The Borges? The Church has a history of corruption and exploitation.
Not to discredit religion, a psychologist friend of mine explained how it can serve people in a positive way as a foundation for living a stable life.
As for early Chritianity and the Church, anyone watch that TV series The Borges? The Church has a history of corruption and exploitation.
Not to discredit religion, a psychologist friend of mine explained how it can serve people in a positive way as a foundation for living a stable life.
