Well your point is wrong. How much more clear can I be. What experience do you have running hospitals? I suspect zero. Shame is an obvious answer, but not the only answer. People don't off themselves for shit & giggles.
Royal Prank Call Nurse 'Commits Suicide'
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Ok...one more time...I DON'T THINK IT WAS HER FAULT, MAYBE NOT THE HOSPITAL'S EITHER. I'M NOT SURE WHO'S FAULT IT WAS BUT IT WAS THE FAULT OF WHOMEVER PUT HER THERE. How much experience do you have running a hospital? You seem so sure it's their fault.
I am not sure we have to blame anyone or attribute fault to anyone for the passing of the nurse. It was an unfortunate, but really unforseeable outcome.
However, I don't think the gag was funny, and I don't think committing fraud and trying to invade people's privacy should simply be laughed off.
It is indeed a warped world these monarchists live. Obviously, without a monarchy, none of this would have happened. Secondly, if it was not for the adoration of the royals, the nurse would not have become flustered and passed the call on.
Clearly, the monarchy is as much to blame for the suicide as the australian DJ's.
I've worked and trained in hospitals environmnets and with Emergency Response personal on numerous occasion since I was 16 and I have the accreditation to show for it. I have also worked in a volunteer capacity in numerous support programs at the community level. Their fault? Not at all.
Rather this has been discussed ad nauseum and comments such as your "lackluster purposeless monarchy" have been thoroughly disproved and I see little purpose in re-arguing the issue.
By the way your post #50 is so off kilter I see no need to respond.
Are you still angry that a royal went to fight against your brothers in the Taliban and you didn't get him? Get over it Dan.
Your argument is like saying if the world did not make diamonds so valuable jewel thieves would not have tried to steal them.
Daft, as usual.
Ahhh...working in an environment surrounded by unionized public servants, or worse, an actual public servant - it's becomming clear to me now. It's absolutely their fault if they put her in that position. Perhaps she could handle it under normal circumstances but not with a royal in the place.
For the love of God, talk about a grade B movie plot rather than the real world.
How about this instead: The nurse liked her work, and took pride in it. Perhaps she had met the Duchess and found her to be kind and considerate. This occurred at 5:30 in the morning (see my previous comment in #26 about working all night). Perhaps like most in the U.K. she supports the monarchy. Perhaps she felt that she had let down herself, the hospital, the Duchess and the Royal Family. She was in an emotionally vulnerable place (many are at Christmas).
Further ask yourself who put her in that place what was the proximate cause - the answer is the phone call of the two idiot Australian DJs.
Requesting that something be done and demanding "a scalp" are not at all the same thing. I'm sure they have told the hospital that they would like remedial action to be taken and that is entirely appropriate. Indeed it is entirely likely that all involved already have said this is what I should have done instead and will the next time.
That is entirely different from demanding this person or that person be fired. Members of the Royal Family do have enough life experience to know that the goal is making changes so that the error is not repeated, rather than a demand for "heads."
Since RLD didn't address this point. The question I'm sure was actually asked was: will airing this violate a provision of the Australian broadcasting code, will airing this directly violate the provisions of the "probation" the ACMA has us on. I am sure they were not asked: Is this a violation of English Criminal Law, will airing this open us up to a possible civil lawsuit, is this appropriate and/or moral behaviour.
Perhaps I can simplify what RLD already posted by simply saying: what a damn stupid statement.
That really is speculation. I doubt very much that it was the Australian call itself that caused her to suicide. It's a suicide. It isn't something she decided to do just because somebody said "boo" one day. There will be a whole lot of complicating factors around her decision to take her own life, and the prank call will only be peripherally involved.
If you want to trace the acts that led her to that decision in the very long term I would bet you dollars to donuts that she was already suffering from depression and the people and institutions around her either failed to see it, or failed to respond effectively.
In the very very short term, in the minutes and hours ahead of her decision to kill herself, I bet there were negative interactions with people in her workplace, negative implications for her job prospects, loss of respect from her co-workers. While these things may have ultimately been reactions to the story in the media, they are likely MUCH more about the culture and relationships already in place in that hospital prior to that phone call even happening.
There isn't going to be a simple answer to why she killed herself. People get pranked all the time and they do not suicide. A lot of teenagers get bullied the way Amanda Todd did, but they do not all go on to take their own life. There are personal and environmental factors there that are MUCH more significant.
What you should really be asking is, what could change, that might have prevented this woman from taking her own life.
Absolutely, with certainty, I can say that the answers to that question will all be found in her personal and work relationships, and will have nothing whatsoever to do with media policy in Australia. Most of them will relate to the culture in that hospital, the availability of resources she could have turned to, the ways in which conflicts are managed there, and quite a lot, maybe just how well we do at helping people in our society develop meaningful friendships and family relationships.
Fuji...he used proximate cause in the correct sense. You stepped on a mine with that one.
And you responded with more speculation. When you premise the "factual basis" for your argument with "I bet" and then roll out "absolutely, with certainty" about things you have zero information, in fact absolutely none, you are living in a fantasy world and making a fool of yourself.
IT would be just as stupid as me suggesting that hospital had the best EAP in the universe and all of her relationships were textbook perfect.
But I don't need to live in a fantasy world, and I don't need to make things up to analyse a subject. For some reason you seem to.
