Of course. The first driver knew all this without getting out of the car and checking on the victim. Hence, that is why he or she drove away without calling 911 because he was so certain the guy was dead or soon to die anyway.
Another Cyclist Murdered
- Thread starter Rockslinger
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cuz cyclists don't have to follow road laws like everyone else. so it's the car's responsibility every time if cars are the only thing held accountable to law.I have a question.......Why isn't EVER THE CYCLIST FAULT
It is the cyclist's fault if he t-bones a car crossing on a green light. Give me a call when that happens.I have a question.......Why isn't EVER THE CYCLIST FAULT
i've heard this theory espoused by others. downtown cyclists are not drivers. some are kids. some are adult non-drivers. they have no experience with the "rules of the road". so they have no idea that the driver can't stop or even see them. it's just outside their life vision. it would take a smarter man than me to study this and come up with conclusions/suggestions. when i see them ride without looking what's comin', i do wonder tho.
this poor guy might have been cycling like this for years. stands to reason if he rode to school (work), he'd be riding a beater with nothing worth stealing. lights included. and altho i sidewalk ride too, i recognize it has it's dangerous moments. leaving this accident side, i amazed this doesn't happen several times a day. people are very lucky.
Cause most drivers do not drink and drive and they can stop or turn at the very last second...not just plow right in to the idiot who runs a red light.
I remember when I was a kid you couldn't ride you bike a night without a working light and a tail light. Had to have 2 generators, one on each wheel. None of this reflector crap. Also we were taught the rules for cyclist on the road at public school.I have a question.......Why isn't EVER THE CYCLIST FAULT
Now we don't know what happened, but if he was riding a bike chances are he was acting like most cyclist do, running through red lights and stop signs, pulling up on the right hand side of a car, passing them to get to the intersection first and just keep rolling on.
If your a cyclist, you are sharing the road with idiots who can't drive, don't expect to get to your destation safely, be defensive in how you cycle. Remember, I'm in a car and unless you can see my tail lights, your just road kill and don't even know yet.
If I were to drive my car on the 401 like most cyclist ride on the streets of Toronto, I'd have been killed by a transport years ago.
Here are two key questions.
1) Was it the first or second hit that proved fatal? Presumably the victim was already down on the ground when hit the second time.
2) If that 22 year old driver of the first hit had stopped, would the second hit even have happened at all?
1) Was it the first or second hit that proved fatal? Presumably the victim was already down on the ground when hit the second time.
2) If that 22 year old driver of the first hit had stopped, would the second hit even have happened at all?
Notwithstanding the op's blatant attempt at trolling.....
And the fact that i have no clue what happened in this particular incident.
I've cylcled a lot. In busy urban, suburban, and rural roads. I do get pissed when drivers are aggressive, thus risking MY life, however these idiots are few.
To get around successfully in the city on a bike.
Expect the unexpected. Don't take a right turn beside a car or truck, if they cut it too close and don't see you, you are done.
Exert your right to space on the road. Don't ride in the gutter, where you are 3" from the curb. Give yourself a buffer.
Anticipate what drivers are going to do, pull out, open doors etc.
Do obey the rules. Dont run light, stop or at least almost stop at stop signs. Don't ride on the sidewalk, and if you have to, do slowly and always give way to pedestrians.
Wherever possible, take back streets, avoiding busy traffic.
By doing this I've ridden several thousand km over the last decade and a half, without and major incident, not even a significant near miss. Be controlled, let the drivers know what you ate doing.
And the fact that i have no clue what happened in this particular incident.
I've cylcled a lot. In busy urban, suburban, and rural roads. I do get pissed when drivers are aggressive, thus risking MY life, however these idiots are few.
To get around successfully in the city on a bike.
Expect the unexpected. Don't take a right turn beside a car or truck, if they cut it too close and don't see you, you are done.
Exert your right to space on the road. Don't ride in the gutter, where you are 3" from the curb. Give yourself a buffer.
Anticipate what drivers are going to do, pull out, open doors etc.
Do obey the rules. Dont run light, stop or at least almost stop at stop signs. Don't ride on the sidewalk, and if you have to, do slowly and always give way to pedestrians.
Wherever possible, take back streets, avoiding busy traffic.
By doing this I've ridden several thousand km over the last decade and a half, without and major incident, not even a significant near miss. Be controlled, let the drivers know what you ate doing.
short and sweet. i started to tell my friends i ride with once in a while this expression "right side suicide". maybe it'll get thru to some. this particular case, it looks like the cyclist did everything wrong. he had his cloak of invisibility on too. maybe he was distracted. we'll never know. let's be kind.
This is pretty much exactly the way I have done it since moving to Toronto in 1988, and it works fine. I was wilder in my early years, but the basic principles have always served me well. Surprises are always possible, and the few times I've hit the pavement were as a result of random error, either mine or a driver's.
I suspect that the case of this recent fatality was one of lack of attention in a very routine situation for the rider. Surprises happen when you think you are sure what is going on, and take the norm for granted. So, heads up always is my rule, and try to be fully present at all times on the road.
Why never use the sidewalks ? That is the safest place sometimes.
I like jumping over to the walk near intersections if it seems dicey, beats pretending your a car, better to join the walkers and either very slowly move with them, or hop off and walk you bike through the busy intersection.
The whole idea is to get to point A to point B without getting hit, screw obeying all the "rules"...many people are now dead who had the right of way.
I like jumping over to the walk near intersections if it seems dicey, beats pretending your a car, better to join the walkers and either very slowly move with them, or hop off and walk you bike through the busy intersection.
The whole idea is to get to point A to point B without getting hit, screw obeying all the "rules"...many people are now dead who had the right of way.
What hapen is now many more people either are not allowed to drive and or can not afford to. The cops got them off the roads driving a car and now they just given up on them. Ticketing them doesn't do much good-that is why they lost their drivers license. They got no money or refuse to pay up, the jails are too full for them. So just let them be and scrape them off the pavement when they mess up and now they are off the roads forever. In the car you can mess up and still be on the road over and over again, in the old days people were not forced out of their cars and on to a bike. Getting tickets-even for drinking and driving was like "normal" , lol
But a cyclist going through a red light and other shit like that is the car's fault.
Cycling Skills
Ontario's Guide to Safe Cycling
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/cycling-guide/index.shtml
Ontario's Guide to Safe Cycling
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/pubs/cycling-guide/index.shtml
That's because there are more cars than bikes or even pedestrians and cars weigh more than bicycles or pedestrians. *sigh*
Ok here's the thing. If you're a pedestrian or a cyclist, always beware of cars. They're much heavier and faster and as a result can easily kill. You need to give cars the proper respect simply because they're very dangerous. It's like being near a rhino, don't just cluelessly frolic about around a rhino or you're gonna get rammed, impaled and trampled.
Yeah we want to think and hope drivers are always aware of everything, but you know what, unless you're suicidal, that's not a risk worth taking.
Yeah we want to think and hope drivers are always aware of everything, but you know what, unless you're suicidal, that's not a risk worth taking.
Another accident at the same corner this morning (caught on video by CP 24). This one involving a taxi and a Honda. Apparently, none of the people involved were wearing reflective clothing or helmets. Fortunately, no one was seriously injured but two people were taken to hospital.
