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Partay kay bec kwa back in the saddle?

nottyboi

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Sigh... the rest of Canada should have a referendum to tell them to fuck off.
 

danmand

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No, the rest of Canada should do the honourable thing and negotiate a fair deal for Quebec to become more independent.
 

nottyboi

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No, the rest of Canada should do the honourable thing and negotiate a fair deal for Quebec to become more independent.

Provinces already have a huge amount of independence, plus there has been a great deal of effort expended to accommodate greater independence for Quebec. The question is, when you keep doing this, when does Canada cease to become a federation?
 

danmand

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Provinces already have a huge amount of independence, plus there has been a great deal of effort expended to accommodate greater independence for Quebec. The question is, when you keep doing this, when does Canada cease to become a federation?
When Quebec achievs full independence. Vivre Quebec Libre.

The only disadvantage I can see is that all the regions of Canada will become more dependent upon the US if Canada splits into several quasi-independent countries. However, canadians seem to have little concern for becoming more integrated with the US.
 

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Provinces already have a huge amount of independence
Apparently the PQ believe that it is not enough independence. Why not give them what they want? The only thing the rest of Canada should be demanding is clarity. We should require that any future referendum spell out exactly what sort of association Quebec wants with Canada, and we should encourage them to put it to a vote.

I have no objection to some sort of sovereignty association. I do object to an extended period of uncertainty which would hinder Canada's ability to implement and execute economic policy.

What I would prefer is a renegotiated federalism that Quebec would also buy into--but if they don't want it, I'm not interested in forcing it on them.
 

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Only slightly over a quarter of the Quebec electorate favor "sovereignty"

However, it does look like of the three parties the Liberals are likely to have the least number of seats in the National Assembly.
 

nottyboi

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Apparently the PQ believe that it is not enough independence. Why not give them what they want? The only thing the rest of Canada should be demanding is clarity. We should require that any future referendum spell out exactly what sort of association Quebec wants with Canada, and we should encourage them to put it to a vote.

I have no objection to some sort of sovereignty association. I do object to an extended period of uncertainty which would hinder Canada's ability to implement and execute economic policy.

What I would prefer is a renegotiated federalism that Quebec would also buy into--but if they don't want it, I'm not interested in forcing it on them.
It's really not that simple, what do you do about other nations within Quebec like the first nations...what do you do if the greater Montreal Region decides it wants to stay in Canada? Those are just a small part of the issues. Then there is the debt, usage of the Canadian dollar etc etc. On the plus side the Quebec peso will be in the toilet and we would be able to go and bang Quebec hookers for $25.. lol
 

blackrock13

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When Quebec achievs full independence. Vivre Quebec Libre.

The only disadvantage I can see is that all the regions of Canada will become more dependent upon the US if Canada splits into several quasi-independent countries. However, canadians seem to have little concern for becoming more integrated with the US.
If they do leave, will you leave what's left of the country you so love? :biggrin1:
 

blackrock13

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It's really not that simple, what do you do about other nations within Quebec like the first nations...what do you do if the greater Montreal Region decides it wants to stay in Canada? Those are just a small part of the issues. Then there is the debt, usage of the Canadian dollar etc etc. On the plus side the Quebec peso will be in the toilet and we would be able to go and bang Quebec hookers for $25.. lol
Well, a brief moment of clarity. There is hope.
 

danmand

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If they do leave, will you leave what's left of the country you so love?
I am preparing for my first grape harvest next week, so the answer will be : NO.

I cannot help feeling that english speaking canadians could be more generous in helping Quebec gain independence, instead of fighting them at every turn. I am sure that an equitable solution could be found if every region negotiated in good faith.
 

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It's really not that simple, what do you do about other nations within Quebec like the first nations...what do you do if the greater Montreal Region decides it wants to stay in Canada? Those are just a small part of the issues.
Further, Nouveau-Québec (currently refered to as Nord-du-Québec) was given by the Federal Government to Québec in 1912. It had never historically been part of Québec, rather having been part of Rupert's Land. Should Québec decide to go its own way presumably what the Federal Government giveth the Federal Government can taketh away (and this includes the James Bay Hydro-Electric projects).
 

blackrock13

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I am preparing for my first grape harvest next week, so the answer will be : NO.

I cannot help feeling that english speaking canadians could be more generous in helping Quebec gain independence, instead of fighting them at every turn. I am sure that an equitable solution could be found if every region negotiated in good faith.
If only 28% of Quebecers support separation, it would appear more than anglophones are against it. I like to know if you were living in Canada during the two referendums and experienced the drama and trauma they brought.
 

danmand

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If only 28% of Quebecers support separation, it would appear more than anglophones are against it. I like to know if you were living in Canada during the two referendums and experienced the drama and trauma they brought.
Yes, but that is exactly my point. The rest of Canada, as I see it, was extremely ungraceful in fighting tooth and nail against the aspirations of the quebecers.
 

blackrock13

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Yes, but that is exactly my point. The rest of Canada, as I see it, was extremely ungraceful in fighting tooth and nail against the aspirations of the quebecers.
Neat, wrong but neat, so were you living in Canada during the last referendums? Do you need to check past posts?
 

danmand

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Neat, wrong but neat, so were you living in Canada during the last referendums? Do you need to check past posts?
What part of Yes is it you do not understand?
 
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