Why is that? You miss some very beautiful country and oft' noted two of the most beautiful drives in NA.
Partay kay bec kwa back in the saddle?
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Why is that? You miss some very beautiful country and oft' noted two of the most beautiful drives in NA.
So? A PQ politician talking about sovereignty is just like a Conservative politician talking about balanced budgets and fiscal restraint. They both pay lip service to the idea to appease their grassroots but both know that they have no idea how to achieve it.dude.....
"In her speech, Marois vowed to be the premier of “all Quebecers” but also put the party’s separatist agenda in play.
“We want a country. And we will have it,” she told a sea of supporters waving the province’s blue fleurdelisé flags at the PQ’s packed Montreal headquarters.
“I want to address our neighbours across Canada. You must understand that as a nation, we want to make our own decisions about those things that concern us ... I invite you to welcome these aspirations that we have with openness,” she said.
Then the PQ leader turned her remarks to the supporters gathered in the theatre.
“I said it during the campaign. I’m saying it now, and I will continue to say it: I have the conviction that Quebec must become a sovereign country.”"
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1251318--parti-quebecois-wins-quebec-election
You will say it and say it again, despite such a small percentage of Quebecois wanting separation, you want them to do it.I have said it before, and I will say it again. ..
If that happens only thing I to say is: Don't let the door hit Quebec's queue on the way out. I can't wait to dump this albatross of a province.When Quebec achievs full independence. Vivre Quebec Libre.
Yeah, because creating barriers to trade and reducing the total level of economic activity is going to be great for the rest of Canada. Duh.If that happens only thing I to say is: Don't let the door hit Quebec's queue on the way out. I can't wait to dump this albatross of a province.
It's not really true that a "small percentage of Quebecois" want separation. It REALLY depends on the question you ask.You will say it and say it again, despite such a small percentage of Quebecois wanting separation, you want them to do it.
If you ask them, "Do you think that Quebec should some day be an independent nation" you will find it's not a small number. However, only a small number will answer yes to "Do you want a referendum on separation in the next few years".
Overwhelmingly Quebecois right now believe that the economy is the #1 issue and that political reform, at this time, would create economic problems and would just get in the way of more important work. But that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of federalism either, and there are a LOT of latent separatists. Create the right climate, change a few attitudes, and the sleeping dog could wake up pretty quickly.
The only time in history I can think of where there was a clean separation was Czechoslovakia with the velvet divorce. The circumstances were much different then here. Every other attempt at separation was not so clean.I have said it before, and I will say it again. It would look good on Canada if the english speaking Canada showed generosity and good will in negotiating a deal to give Quebec sovereignity. All the issues of monetary union, shared passports etc etc can be solved with good will from both sides. It would look good on all the people of Canada and therefore eventually be an advantage for everyone.
Of course, a mature and generous approach is unlikely to happen, however, that will be to the detriment of Canada.
Yeah, good will on both sides always makes things easier. But welcome to the real world.
The PQ is basically the redneck party of Quebec. They are xenophobic, want to enforce language laws and hate the big urban populations that are melting pots. It's like the rednecks in the US who want to pass "English Only" laws and keep America more "American".
Trade with Quebec doesn't even come close to the trade we have with... everyone else. Fact is Quebec would be in the shithouse if it wasn't in Canada. Quebec didn't sign NAFTA or any other trade agreements. Think the Government of Canada will just let them in without having Quebec suck its dick first if only to respond to voters' anger?
You might be surprised. Your pointless, overly emotional contempt not withstanding, it is a lose lose proposition for Canada to adopt a hostile stance toward an independent Quebec. It would be in our interests to negotiate mutually advantageous trade deals.Trade with Quebec doesn't even come close to the trade we have with... everyone else. Fact is Quebec would be in the shithouse if it wasn't in Canada. Quebec didn't sign NAFTA or any other trade agreements. Think the Government of Canada will just let them in without having Quebec suck its dick first if only to respond to voters' anger?
I guarantee you the entire Canadian business community will lobby hard for it. I guarantee you that RBC will not want to reorganize into separate units and so will pour money into lobbying for a Canada/Quebec economic zone. So will every other major business in Canada, and the government will listen.
Harper is not really liked anywhere outside Alberta frankly. I found it pretty funny that he said the 32% of pop vote the PQ got leaves them without a mandate, yet he claims some sort of overwhelming mandate from his lousy 39%... the system does not work. Neither of these govts is representative of the wishes of the electorate. This must be fixed through election reform.It is a little troubling that the PQ is back at a time when Ottawa is run by alienated Westerners, with only five MP's from Quebec in the government.
Harper is not liked in Quebec and does not connect well with people there.
If we do face a referendum while he's in power it's hard to see him making a convincing case for federalism in Quebec. During previous referendums the PM was a popular Quebec politician.
Fortunately the PQ have only a minority, but expect to see then leverage Harper's unpopularity in the service of their cause.
As a general rule, under a first past the post system, a politician's approval rating is much higher than the vote they got. That's because they're the 2nd choice of a lot of people who voted for other parties. So you can anticipate that if 39% of Canadians voted for Harper, that probably at least 60% approved, at least around election day. This is especially true of the "undecided" voters, who clearly had trouble deciding between the alternatives. So it is an error to assume that voting figures equal approval figures under this electoral system.Harper is not really liked anywhere outside Alberta frankly. I found it pretty funny that he said the 32% of pop vote the PQ got leaves them without a mandate, yet he claims some sort of overwhelming mandate from his lousy 39%... the system does not work. Neither of these govts is representative of the wishes of the electorate. This must be fixed through election reform.
I did a quick google for approval polls, but couldn't find them with a quick search--but I would bet you that Harper's approval rating is significantly higher in English Canada than it is in French Canada.
Or prison terms.Harper is not really liked anywhere outside Alberta frankly. I found it pretty funny that he said the 32% of pop vote the PQ got leaves them without a mandate, yet he claims some sort of overwhelming mandate from his lousy 39%... the system does not work. Neither of these govts is representative of the wishes of the electorate. This must be fixed through election reform.
Obvious to the point of being trivial.I did a quick google for approval polls, but couldn't find them with a quick search--but I would bet you that Harper's approval rating is significantly higher in English Canada than it is in French Canada.
