Fast food is unfairly maligned. If you showed up at a potluck and brought a bucket of KFC, and RLD brought food from his favorite upscale restaurant, everyone would complain about how bad KFC is, but you know that by the end of the evening there would be no KFC left, while some of the highly praised gourmet food would get binned.
The issue of tipping
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I actually quite like KFC, but I don't expect much by way of service there, and I don't tip there.. And when I go put luck or something similar, I would go with Pickle Barrel.
why only tip one small fraction of the service industry. every single profession should get a tip...oh that's right we do it' called a fucking wage.
the restaurant business has a great racket going, they get employee's and only have to pay half the wage and then leave it to the customer to pay the other half, it's also the greatest motivator so the employer doesn't even have to yell. employee has a bad day or shitty attitude then guess what you only get paid half. it's all bullshit.
the restaurant business has a great racket going, they get employee's and only have to pay half the wage and then leave it to the customer to pay the other half, it's also the greatest motivator so the employer doesn't even have to yell. employee has a bad day or shitty attitude then guess what you only get paid half. it's all bullshit.
Tipping's fine when it's spontaneous and voluntary, so the giver is as pleased to give it as the recipient is gratified by the unlooked for gift. Never in any other circumstance.
As soon as obligation worms its way into the exchange it all starts to rot, and crap like 'mandatory gratuity', hidden cash incomes and lower than minimum minimum wages all distort the transaction itself: an amount that a willing buyer and seller agree to pay. Certainly we TERBians with our shadowy hobby constantly confuse each other with the term, far more than we coul;d ever mislead even the stupidest LE with such oxymoronic fictions as"… the usual tip required for a BS'.
The result is the same as when you look at your hydro bill, or a travel ad, and realize there are so many add-ons to what notional amount was called a price, that you have no real idea what sum it takes to buy what you want. Nor can you properly check it out with anyone else unless you wast a whole bunch of time sorting out what is and isn't being talked about when you finally name a dollars and cents amount. But if you're on the receiving end, the more add-ons, the more vaguely predicted and the more obligation you can attach can only be a good thing as long as they keep coming.
As soon as obligation worms its way into the exchange it all starts to rot, and crap like 'mandatory gratuity', hidden cash incomes and lower than minimum minimum wages all distort the transaction itself: an amount that a willing buyer and seller agree to pay. Certainly we TERBians with our shadowy hobby constantly confuse each other with the term, far more than we coul;d ever mislead even the stupidest LE with such oxymoronic fictions as"… the usual tip required for a BS'.
The result is the same as when you look at your hydro bill, or a travel ad, and realize there are so many add-ons to what notional amount was called a price, that you have no real idea what sum it takes to buy what you want. Nor can you properly check it out with anyone else unless you wast a whole bunch of time sorting out what is and isn't being talked about when you finally name a dollars and cents amount. But if you're on the receiving end, the more add-ons, the more vaguely predicted and the more obligation you can attach can only be a good thing as long as they keep coming.
People in service occupations may not declare every tip as income, but they do have to declare a reasonable amount. The CRA aren't stupid regardless of how their rules sometime seem - they have a good idea of what percentage income to expect as tips in different occupations - and if you don't declare the expected amount or more, they put you under a microscope (and many servers would be terrified if CRA decided to audit the last 7 years or whatever of their tax returns).
amen, end the tip bs and pay them a respectable wage. also solves the problem of unpaid taxes
It's very rare that I won't tip at least 10% unless the service is extremely bad. As long as whoever is serving me is somewhat competent, reasonably pleasant, and seems to give a shit, I tip 15 to 20%. Service jobs suck and the amount of abuse they receive from customers, management, etc is pretty staggering. That's not an excuse for them to act like douchebags, or give crappy service, mind, but it is something to think about. If people didn't tip, the vast majority of these people would be making income that nearly qualifies them for the poverty line. Alot of them do anyway. They depend on their tips for a basic standard of living. It doesn't bother me one bit if they don't report part of their income. And honestly, this image that some people have that waitresses, bartenders, servers, are not reporting tens of thousands of dollars in income, and they're pulling down 70, 80, 90 k a year is pretty silly. Maybe some of them do, but the majority don't. Also, it just makes good sense. Especially bartenders. You tip well, and you don't even need to tip pretentiously well, just 5 to 10% more than standard, and you get better service. They know your drink, you get bumped to the front of the bar sometimes. People who tip pennies or quarters to 'make a point' can shampoo my crotch. The only point they're making is that they're douchebags
Having said all that, I don't believe in tipping standard for bad service. I'll usually leave something, unless I'm really pissed, but if they haven't earned 15%, I'm certainly not giving it.
Having said all that, I don't believe in tipping standard for bad service. I'll usually leave something, unless I'm really pissed, but if they haven't earned 15%, I'm certainly not giving it.
it is cuz instead of the employer paying a decent wage he is passing it off on you. it shouldn't be a threat to the server to do good or be docked pay, that is not how it is in the rest of the world. just like it is not up to the customer to make up the wage in the rest of the world. why is the only service industry job job that demands you the customer pay a waiter/waitress. it is stupid. lots of people work a lot fucking harder and don't get a tip from the people that they serve, why this one profession. what makes this profession so fucking special it's gets special treatment over everything and everyone else ?
so which is it: are waiters disadvantaged because they can be docked pay or are all the other workers disadvantaged because they don't get tips?
So if they suddenly had to pay 'a decent wage' (including all the 'benefits'), who do you think the cost will be passed to?
Don't know if you've worked in the industry, but if not, one of the most balanced and level headed responses by a non-server on TERB regarding this topic.
how about instead of costing me an extra 10-30$ on my dinner everything on the menu gets raised .50-1.00$. an unskilled worker that brings food to the table if done average, not even good can pull in 30-40$ an hour easily. why should unskilled labour be worth that much ? you don't need to go to university to learn how to carry food or smile.
both. i was kinda drunk last night and probably not making the best sense in the world. if you tip a person for bringing you food, then you should also tip the guy at your local tim hortons, the guy that brings your water to your office, the mail room guy, ups guy brings you something toss him a tip. just every single person in your day that hands you anything or bring you something you should tip.
why shouldn't fast food count, they are preparing and bringing you food. you should also have to tip them. in fact you should tip them more cuz they are serving more people an usually preparing what they bring you not like a wait staff at a restaurant that waits for things to be cooked.
