I could have mentioned Brown or White but they could have blended in with the rest of the Japanese. Some Japanese are a bit darker and some of a bit lighter. Did you see a non-Japanese on the Japan team?
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Did any blacks try out for the team? That's kind of an important point.Yes, but there is no racism in Japan. It is impossible to have racism when everybody in the country is the same race. However, you can still have "shortism" where tall people discriminate against short people.
P.S. I have been watching the Olympics and can't help but notice the Japan team is 100% Japanese, not even one Black in the group.
Really??!?So how do you extrapolate from latinos in the US to minorities?
It's pretty far fetched to believe that minorities stereotype more than anyone else, but are somehow less racist in other ways. Really, pretty far fetched. Especially since you have provided NO EVIDENCE for the alternative view.Furthermore, believing stereotypes is just one type of racism. For a more complete picture you'd have to expand it.
Also, what--when minorities express prejudiced views they are just ignorant, but when whites do the same thing--even in subtle ways--it's racist? Come on. You can't change around the definition of racism like that. If you want to be very aggressive in applying the word to even subtle behavior, then when someone blurts out some blatant stereotype, you gotta call it for what it is.
So where are we at--so far we have a bunch of data indicating that minorities are far more racist than whites, and no evidence WHATSOEVER for any other interpretation. That's where we are right now. And you're raising these far fetched claims that stereotyping is not associated with racism, and that when minorities say bigoted, hateful things, it's just ignorance and not racism like when white people do the same thing.
I think you can just resign the debate right now, if this is the sort of retort you've got...
I have never doubted racism among minorities. You source only focuses on that though, not the racism of the majority....
Here's my prediction: Once we start going through the data and sources the reality of inter-minority racism ...
My source points out that minorities are more prejudiced than the majority.I have never doubted racism among minorities. You source only focuses on that though, not the racism of the majority.
Actually I provided the link referencing on Jack Dovidio. Psych Prof at Yale who has been studying racism for 30 years. BTW he has won awards in the field of racism http://psychology.yale.edu/news/jack-dovidio-wins-donald-t-campbell-award-spsp
He claims that about 80% of people are racist and many don't even know it.
I love the way that people try to ignore and twist straightforward evidence. I can't decide if fuji is in denial about prejudices (including his own), if he is so wrapped up his own self worth that he can't ever admit he is wrong, or if he's just an internet troll.Great, and that's some other topic. It doesn't in any way detract from the claim that minorities are more prejudiced than whites are. ...
Ignore and twist what? I agree that people are subtle in the ways they are racist now, that more people are racist than realize it, and that a lot of it is institutionalized in non-obvious ways. Agree with all of that. So what am I twisting?
You just don't like that, in that world, with all that being true, minorities are more racist than white people are. You hate that fact.
You just don't like that, in that world, with all that being true, minorities are more racist than white people are. You hate that fact.
In other words, "I don't care what the experts think, I'm still right".Yeah, I agree with all the stuff you just quoted. It doesn't change the fact that minorities are more prejudiced than whites are. Those stereotypes of blacks are, for example, more likely to be held by a chinese or latino person than by a white person, and held more strongly.
Who said I don't care? I said I agree with it. You are treading into moron territory here. I agree with what he wrote. It is ALSO TRUE that minorities are more racist than white people. What are you having trouble with here?In other words, "I don't care what the experts think, I'm still right".
There is HUGE racism in Japan. Against Japanese ethnic minorities, against Japanese who's ancestors were Korean, against whites....Yes, but there is no racism in Japan. It is impossible to have racism when everybody in the country is the same race. However, you can still have "shortism" where tall people discriminate against short people.
P.S. I have been watching the Olympics and can't help but notice the Japan team is 100% Japanese, not even one Black in the group.
In rugby, Japan has traditionally has numerous Kiwis or Pacific Islanders on their national team.I could have mentioned Brown or White but they could have blended in with the rest of the Japanese. Some Japanese are a bit darker and some of a bit lighter. Did you see a non-Japanese on the Japan team?
This is where fuji's arrogance in debating comes from. He sticks to his guns, right or wrong until everyone else just gets fed up.....
I think you can just resign the debate right now, if this is the sort of retort you've got...
No I hate the smug superiority that has people believe that they are superior to others despite what the experts say.Ignore and twist what? I agree that people are subtle in the ways they are racist now, that more people are racist than realize it, and that a lot of it is institutionalized in non-obvious ways. Agree with all of that. So what am I twisting?
You just don't like that, in that world, with all that being true, minorities are more racist than white people are. You hate that fact.
If you actually read and agreed with him then you would realize that:Who said I don't care? I said I agree with it. You are treading into moron territory here. I agree with what he wrote.
goes against the first part of the statement.It is ALSO TRUE that minorities are more racist than white people. What are you having trouble with here?
In fact, the subtlty of racism in the modern age is a result of a majority culture drive against racism, which has now made it totally unacceptable. What is true is that there are still latent attitudes that people are often not even aware they hold, that result in racism. But that is a huge improvement over 50 years ago, when blatant racism was socially acceptable.
I would outright say that someone who is unwittingly racist, who does not want to be racist, but is, because of some beliefs they hold that they aren't aware are discriminatory, is less racist than someone who blatantly says racist things.
I would outright say that someone who is unwittingly racist, who does not want to be racist, but is, because of some beliefs they hold that they aren't aware are discriminatory, is less racist than someone who blatantly says racist things.
From an article in to-day's Toronto Star:
"Last year in New York City, 96% of all shooting victims were either Black or Hispanic."
If I were Canada Man, I would stay far away from New York City.
"Last year in New York City, 96% of all shooting victims were either Black or Hispanic."
If I were Canada Man, I would stay far away from New York City.
From wikipediaYes, but there is no racism in Japan. It is impossible to have racism when everybody in the country is the same race. However, you can still have "shortism" where tall people discriminate against short people.
P.S. I have been watching the Olympics and can't help but notice the Japan team is 100% Japanese, not even one Black in the group.
Thus, in spite of the widespread belief that Japan is ethnically homogeneous, at least one academic recommends description of it as a multiethnic society.[10] Internal to Japan, a distinction between 'Polynesian-type' (darker-skinned, round-eyed) Jomon and 'Continental-type' (lighter-skinned, narrow-eyed) Yayoi is sometimes observed, although the popular shorthand does not actually reflect the observed 90% Yayoi / 10% Jomon haploid-group frequency of modern Japanese DNA.
More than 2.5 million (potentially higher because of undocumented migrants), 14.9% up in five years. North and South Koreans 1 million, Chinese 0.6 million, Filipinos 0.5 million, Brazilians 250,000 and Peruvians 200,000. Other nationalities (examples): Americans, Canadians, Australians, British, Indonesians, Thais, Africans, Iranians, Russians, Turks, Indians and others.
Fuji,
You do realize that the article in the economist is discussing the situation in California? So how can you assume it's the same elsewhere? They spend some time discussing specific events and things that happened to precipitate those results.
Anyways, KI'll just chalk this up to that funny tick you have where when you say black you really mean young, urban, black gang member.
And when you talk about racists minorities you really mean latinos and blacks in california and the chinese that you have observed.
You do realize that the article in the economist is discussing the situation in California? So how can you assume it's the same elsewhere? They spend some time discussing specific events and things that happened to precipitate those results.
Anyways, KI'll just chalk this up to that funny tick you have where when you say black you really mean young, urban, black gang member.
And when you talk about racists minorities you really mean latinos and blacks in california and the chinese that you have observed.
