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Actually I provided the link referencing on Jack Dovidio. Psych Prof at Yale who has been studying racism for 30 years. BTW he has won awards in the field of racism http://psychology.yale.edu/news/jack-dovidio-wins-donald-t-campbell-award-spsp
He claims that about 80% of people are racist and many don't even know it.
Here are some of the statement the rate/population approach allows you to make, which we all agree now are true statment:
Whites are on average more law abiding than blacks, commit on average fewer sexual assaults, and are less likely to engage in gun violence. Blacks are much more likely to engage in street violence, to shoot people, and in general, are more likely to commit any manner of crime, including more likely to commit sexual assaults, serial murders, and mass murders.
Whites are on average more law abiding than blacks, commit on average fewer sexual assaults, and are less likely to engage in gun violence. Blacks are much more likely to engage in street violence, to shoot people, and in general, are more likely to commit any manner of crime, including more likely to commit sexual assaults, serial murders, and mass murders.
Great, and that's some other topic. It doesn't in any way detract from the claim that minorities are more prejudiced than whites are. I am using the word "prejudiced" now because in chasing this subject down I have learned that in a lot of the literature the word "racism" is defined in such a way that it is impossible for a minority to be racist, even if they are incredibly prejudiced. That's because a lot of the literature--perhaps this guy too--define racism to be "prejudice + power". So since minorities are considered not to have power, even if they are deeply prejudiced, they aren't considered racist.
I have a lot of problems with that definition, but just to avoid that, I've revised my statement to say minorities are far more prejudiced than whites are. We can leave it for another day to quibble over whether having the power to act on prejudice is necessary for someone to be "racist". I don't think so, but probably your guy does.
Actually no I'm still happy with the info and data that I? provided just because you don't like it doesn't mean I was wrong.
You struggled to find a strong correlation for blacks in your regressions other than in urban centres and in Canada we know that really only means Toronto and Montreal.
As for the whites are more likely to be serieal killers you chose to dismiss the stats I provided even after someone else e-mailed the prof who posted it.
And here I am giving you another prof who is an expert in the field.
That's right, the overwhelming majority of blacks in Canada live in Toronto and Montreal. We do also have the US data, where we can see the same effect there as well--but I agree it's a highly urban phenomena. I would guess that the blacks who move out of the major centers--the few who do that--are self selecting themselves OUT of the problem culture.
Actually you never proved the sex assult stuff. And you have to qualify it by saying that when you say blacks you mean American Blacks not Canadian or other countries.
See here's a perfect example of how you take specific stats for a country and expand it to a whole race.
Actually I'd have to read his research but if he says 80% of people that means all races. Which goes back to my assertion that people in general are racist.
Some stuff from Dovidio, I like it as it makes some points about how changing laws doesn't mean changing behaviour.
Racism doesn’t disappear because laws change,” says Jack Dovidio, a social psychologist who has been studying racism and stereotyping for nearly 30 years. Dovidio says poverty, unemployment, and high levels of infant mortality among blacks led him to study the nature of prejudice.
Much of his research has focused on subtle racism.
“Old-fashioned racism was blatant,” Dovidio says, “while subtle racism is often unintentional and unconscious.” But the effects are nonetheless damaging, he says, and they foster miscommunication and mistrust.
Categorizing People
“Consciously, we all endorse egalitarian values because that’s the American way,” Dovidio says. “But we’ve grown up in a society where historically blacks have not been treated equal. Racial stereotypes that are perpetuated in the media are less favorable of blacks than whites. Our culture has had a racist tradition embedded in it.”
He adds: “Human beings have a natural tendency to categorize people as either ‘like you,’ or ‘not like you.’ Cross-culturally, you find that if you categorize somebody as in your group, you like them better than somebody not in your group. In America, race is one of those critical dimensions that are an automatic categorization.”
Dovidio says racism also makes some people “feel more secure, and people are motivated to maintain their status, resources, and control.”
So while many people endorse egalitarian principles, and don’t believe they are prejudiced, in fact they’re exposed to negative societal forces and do have unconscious negative feelings and beliefs, Dovidio says: “The feelings and beliefs that underlie subtle racism are hypothesized to be rooted in normal ways of thinking, embedded in history, culture, and institutional policies.”
Racism doesn’t disappear because laws change,” says Jack Dovidio, a social psychologist who has been studying racism and stereotyping for nearly 30 years. Dovidio says poverty, unemployment, and high levels of infant mortality among blacks led him to study the nature of prejudice.
Much of his research has focused on subtle racism.
“Old-fashioned racism was blatant,” Dovidio says, “while subtle racism is often unintentional and unconscious.” But the effects are nonetheless damaging, he says, and they foster miscommunication and mistrust.
Categorizing People
“Consciously, we all endorse egalitarian values because that’s the American way,” Dovidio says. “But we’ve grown up in a society where historically blacks have not been treated equal. Racial stereotypes that are perpetuated in the media are less favorable of blacks than whites. Our culture has had a racist tradition embedded in it.”
He adds: “Human beings have a natural tendency to categorize people as either ‘like you,’ or ‘not like you.’ Cross-culturally, you find that if you categorize somebody as in your group, you like them better than somebody not in your group. In America, race is one of those critical dimensions that are an automatic categorization.”
Dovidio says racism also makes some people “feel more secure, and people are motivated to maintain their status, resources, and control.”
So while many people endorse egalitarian principles, and don’t believe they are prejudiced, in fact they’re exposed to negative societal forces and do have unconscious negative feelings and beliefs, Dovidio says: “The feelings and beliefs that underlie subtle racism are hypothesized to be rooted in normal ways of thinking, embedded in history, culture, and institutional policies.”
Yeah, I agree with all the stuff you just quoted. It doesn't change the fact that minorities are more prejudiced than whites are. Those stereotypes of blacks are, for example, more likely to be held by a chinese or latino person than by a white person, and held more strongly.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1870408,00.html
A study in the Jan. 9 issue of the journal Science presents strong evidence that even people who aspire to tolerance — who would consider themselves nonracist — still harbor unconscious biases powerful enough to prevent them from confronting overt racists or from being upset by other people's racist behavior. The authors say the results suggest attitudes so deeply ingrained that protective legislation and affirmative-action programs are required to overcome them. The results may even offer clues as to how other societies have spiraled into genocide.
Science is one of the biggest and prestigious journals to be published in (for the field of science) and like most journals it is peer reviewed.
So I maintain that there plenty of white racists out there whether you like to admit it or not.
Trying to deflect from this by saying minorities is worse is counter productive as you need the majority on board for real change to happen.
A study in the Jan. 9 issue of the journal Science presents strong evidence that even people who aspire to tolerance — who would consider themselves nonracist — still harbor unconscious biases powerful enough to prevent them from confronting overt racists or from being upset by other people's racist behavior. The authors say the results suggest attitudes so deeply ingrained that protective legislation and affirmative-action programs are required to overcome them. The results may even offer clues as to how other societies have spiraled into genocide.
Science is one of the biggest and prestigious journals to be published in (for the field of science) and like most journals it is peer reviewed.
So I maintain that there plenty of white racists out there whether you like to admit it or not.
Trying to deflect from this by saying minorities is worse is counter productive as you need the majority on board for real change to happen.
Where's your proof of this?
Don't even talk about me dismissing your experiences as you and I both know that's not statistically significant.
Plus I could tell you stories about how my chinese friend was robbed by whites while travelling in europe and a black shop owner gave him food and a place to stay (this happened in the 80s prior to fast electronic money etc)
Wow a black business owner who was nice to an asian?!!!???? How absurd.
Anyways, not part of my argument or case just throwing out that nugget.
Furthermore, believing stereotypes is just one type of racism. For a more complete picture you'd have to expand it. Plus maybe believing those stereotypes is a product of being ignorant not racist. I'm pretty sure that latinos on average have less education than whites not sure how they compare to blacks.
Hey you don't have to tell me where you are going..... it's not that type of relationship.I'm heading back out now, when I get back, I'll probably be a little drunk. Maybe you'll be able to hold your own in a debate with me then
Yup I'm arrogant. Oh well.
Yes, but there is no racism in Japan. It is impossible to have racism when everybody in the country is the same race. However, you can still have "shortism" where tall people discriminate against short people.
P.S. I have been watching the Olympics and can't help but notice the Japan team is 100% Japanese, not even one Black in the group.
Funny how you mentioned black. I cannot understand why whenever there is a discussion of racism blacks are always the ones being discussed most.
