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Of course you do, you hate white people, your statements are consistently racist and you're a good poster boy for a lot of what i have said here.
And your biases are hidden behind educated sounding writing that is supported only by your opinion and not facts.
 

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And I'll say the majority don't have to suffer from racism to anywhere near the same extent, don't socialize with minorities as much, and don't even realize how racism is a part of their lives and actions.
I agree with that but it is still the case that the majority is less prejudiced than the minorities are.
 

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And your biases are hidden behind educated sounding writing that is supported only by your opinion and not facts.
Wrong. You just didn't like the facts on the other thread. On this thread we have just begun sifting through the research but so far the little we found supports what i wrote, and i am confident more will turn up.

I'm clear on the basis for my claims. You hated the data found on the other thread, you want to believe in a fairy tale politically correct world that does not exist.
 

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Of course you do, you hate white people, your statements are consistently racist and you're a good poster boy for a lot of what i have said here.
this from somebody who constantly accuse blacks of commiting most crimes and ignore criminal activities committed by whites and try to use racist maths which defy mathematics and logic
 

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Yes, randoms discussions should be banned from the internet.


The serious issue around this killing is some white skinhead was too dense to differentiate Muslim from Sikh (or actual terrorists from innocent people) and only cared about killing some non-whites who in his warped crap of a mind were stealing his rights.

The reason this thread evolved is because fuji can't accept the fact that this guys actions were fueled by intolerant sentiments among many whites in the US (And Canada).
it's called white denial
 

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this from somebody who constantly accuse blacks of commiting most crimes and ignore criminal activities committed by whites and try to use racist maths which defy mathematics and logic
Whites commit almost all categories of crime at a lower rate than minorities do. I know you hate that fact, but it its one, demonstrated here with data, whether you like it or not.

I do not attribute this to genetics, and I'd be happier if it wasn't true, but i won't run away from the facts the way you do.

The world is not the fantasy world you imagine. Sorry about that.
 

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Finally, someone has cleared up the confusion for me. Jim Parsons the actor is gay. Sheldon Cooper, his character on The Big Bang Theory is straight. BTW: Have you noticed how the 3 White guys and the cute White girl on Theory are always picking on the Brown guy:mad:?
 

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this from somebody who constantly accuse blacks of commiting most crimes and ignore criminal activities committed by whites and try to use racist maths which defy mathematics and logic
This from someone who spends their time trying to blame whitey for everything.
 

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Finally, someone has cleared up the confusion for me. Jim Parsons the actor is gay. Sheldon Cooper, his character on The Big Bang Theory is straight. BTW: Have you noticed how the 3 White guys and the cute White girl on Theory are always picking on the Brown guy:mad:?
I thought that Sheldon was the usual target.

Besides, for an asexual character, why would sexuality matter?
 

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Wrong. You just didn't like the facts on the other thread. On this thread we have just begun sifting through the research but so far the little we found supports what i wrote, and i am confident more will turn up.

I'm clear on the basis for my claims. You hated the data found on the other thread, you want to believe in a fairy tale politically correct world that does not exist.
I'm sorry but exactly what research has been provided? There is a link to African GDP, a link to stormfront, and a link to a study on relations between minority groups. How exactly do any of them show minorities are more racist than whites? I submitted the racist comment that appear in the terb lounge but you chose not to comment on them.

I'm sure in your mind there's a connection but from any logical point of view, there is nothing.


Oh, wait, you know a few racist Chinese people who have seen blacks on TV.
 

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Oh, wait, you know a few racist Chinese people who have seen blacks on TV.
Well we can never really know if the Chinese are more racist or not. China does not have the same amount of racial, ethnic minorities as the western nations do. Until there are, only then can we judge if the Chinese are more racist than whites. If one is to compare majority racism among different counties.
 

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I'm sorry but exactly what research has been provided?
Read the article from The Economist, which is the ONLY sourceI have posted here on this thread so far. It contains several surveys. A couple cited in that article point out that latinos and blacks are MUCH more likely to hold prejudicial views towards one another than whites are, for example latinos are much more likely to believe such myths as "blacks are lazy" than whites. Which basically is what was to be demonstrated. Now that's just one indirect survey cited in an article. I have said I haven't had a lot of time to collect information yet, and I will do that. In the meantime, I *have* provided some data, and it is up against *jack squat* from the other side. The only data we have so far is this data I've provided, which supports my point. Frank posted some unrelated points which I actually agreed with, about minorities being more aware of racism, and modern racism being more subtle--but that doesn't detract from the point that minorities are more prejudiced than whites are.

As for your list of sources, I didn't post anything from stormfront and never would, and I resent even the slightest implication from you that I would. I await your apology. We can continue this discussion when you are less of a cad.

Here's my prediction: Once we start going through the data and sources the reality of inter-minority racism is going to dawn on you, you're going to realize that it's obvious, when you see the forms that it takes. You're then going to try and downplay it, and argue that it isn't all that important or relevant for some reason, or that it's explained by their situation, or whatever. In short, you're going to flip flop. Why is this my prediction? Because it is really bloody obvious that minorities are far more racist than whites, to the point where in poor areas it takes the form of gang violence--people are killed. Prisons divide along racial lines, so do ghettos. Minorities that are somewhat better off nevertheless continue to harbour these deep seated myths. You want racism? Look it up, you'll find stories on the net of asian women who were refused service in asian businesses because the owner found out she had a black husband. It's really blatant racist stuff that happens.

When you begin to realize all this you're going to try and avoid admitting that I'm right by saying it doesn't matter or is a symptom of poverty.

Well there sure are explanations for it. They do include things like poverty, and also as I mentioned up thread, people bringing attitudes with them from their home countries, which are almost universally less tolerant places than Canada or the United States. There isn't anything evil about it--it's just something we have to deal with. But shoving out thumbs up our asses and pretending it doesn't exist won't help anybody.
 

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So what do you propose as a solution? There is a tagline: "Stop the hate, seperate", on various anti-diversity forums. Do you believe that if people live in homogeneous nations like Japan, racism will not be a social problem anymore?
Not at all I haven't even tried to tackle a solution just pointing out that racism is a problem amongst all races. I'm nut suggesting anything more than that..... your homogenous nations solution is something that I have not directly said. If you felt I implied it, I apologize as that's not where I inteneded to go.
 

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I don't know the proper label so I'll call it "inter-majority racism". White Irish Catholics, Italians, Jews (Christie Pits Riot), Ukrainians, Russians, etc. have also suffered discrimination and they are all white. Yet, they have all moved forward and seem to live in relative harmony now. What is past is past.

Inter-minority racism is real. I seen it first hand when I was in NYC between Koreans and Blacks. Also, E.I. Hindus and Pakistani Muslims don't like each other. Sikhs don't like Hindus (Air India bombing). Everybody in Asia don't like the Japanese.
Agreed inter-minority racism exists. But I think it's safe to say that it would be rare to find someone who is only racist to one race. Not really sure where people are going with the inter minority racism angle/
 

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It may not be called racism but I heard that tall Japanese discriminate against short Japanese. Hee, hee, hee.
Actually bullying was a pretty big problem in Japan. Probably still is. My dad was trying to learn to speak Japanese and watched a lot of Japanese news on local TV here and I remember a segment on bullying.

Pepople will always find a difference to pick on.
 

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Unfortunately there is not a LOT of data on this. When you search for minority attitudes, there are so many studies looking at the majority-minority relationship that it's hard to sift through and find the ones that captured inter-minority stuff. There are also few enough of them that we're likely to wind up having to make due with foreign data, and not find quite as many home grown Canadian studies a we would like.
Gee too bad for you I guess but that has never stopped you from making claims.
 

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Gee too bad for you I guess but that has never stopped you from making claims.
I've got my own direct experience, which you discount, and that's fine. I've also now provided you with at least one source corroborating what I said. You've provided nothing. It seems to me you desperately want to believe in a world where everybody is just the same in every way. Everybody is equally racist. Everybody is equally likely to commit murder. Race makes no difference at all to anything. But we don't live in that world. It's a beautiful theory, but unfortunately it's been beaten up by a gang of ugly facts.

I agree so far we have only limited information that is public/shareable, but it all so far points to what I said being true.
 

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Too busy posting his knowledge on every topic.
Whoa you mean opinion..... knowledge impliees Fuji knows what he is talking about.

He's the only guy ?I know who when faced with the inability to find proof of his point still maintains it with the stubborness of a mule.
 

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Whoa you mean opinion..... knowledge impliees Fuji knows what he is talking about.

He's the only guy ?I know who when faced with the inability to find proof of his point still maintains it with the stubborness of a mule.
And that's happened when?

Given how thoroughly the data went against you on the other threads we have had recently I'm not sure where you get off making a statement like that. On this thread we're only just getting started.
 

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Whites commit almost all categories of crime at a lower rate than minorities do. I know you hate that fact, but it its one, demonstrated here with data, whether you like it or not.

I do not attribute this to genetics, and I'd be happier if it wasn't true, but i won't run away from the facts the way you do.

The world is not the fantasy world you imagine. Sorry about that.
The rates your are talking about are when you compare the crime rate by enthinicty to the representation in the population.

But if every black ie 100% in Canada committed crimes that would be 3% of Canada's population.

If about 4% of all whites in Canada committed crimes that would also be about 3% of Canada's population.

We all know that the difference between whites and blacks is not 25 TIMES.

So if you had 100 people and 3 of them are black and 70 are white if the odds of the black committing a crime is double that of the white. You will still expect more white criminals.

At the end of the day I don't care about the probability of someone being a criminal I just care about the number of criminals.

Your comparison of crime rate to representation in the population distorts things from the truth.

Take car accidents..... motorcycles are more dangerous but since there are more cars on the road you are still more likely to be in an accident with a car.

in that analogy motorcyles=blacks and cars = whites
 
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