Shooting at Wisconsin Sikh temple - hostages inside

[fuji]

"Is racism a problem" I agree would likely have whites less inclined to think so, as they would be less often the victim of it. Inter-minority racism still is primarily against minorities and not against whites. It's one minority against another.

I am quite sure that there is a heck of a lot of racism against the majority culture--you don't have to look far to find it. But nobody seems to care as much about that, because the majority culture has power, and is capable of defending itself against racist attacks. Still, if we want to contemplate people's attitudes towards whites, you don't have to look far to find bigoted statements from minorities, like "whites are more likely to be child molesters" and other anti-white racist myths.

 

[frankcastle]

http://www.advance.uconn.edu/2005/050207/05020709.htm

“Racism doesn’t disappear because laws change,” says Jack Dovidio, a social psychologist who has been studying racism and stereotyping for nearly 30 years. Dovidio says poverty, unemployment, and high levels of infant mortality among blacks led him to study the nature of prejudice.

 

[frankcastle]

"Is racism a problem" I agree would likely have whites less inclined to think so, as they would be less often the victim of it. Inter-minority racism still is primarily against minorities and not against whites. It's one minority against another.

I am quite sure that there is a heck of a lot of racism against the majority culture--you don't have to look far to find it. But nobody seems to care as much about that, because the majority culture has power, and is capable of defending itself against racist attacks. Still, if we want to contemplate people's attitudes towards whites, you don't have to look far to find bigoted statements from minorities, like "whites are more likely to be child molesters" and other anti-white racist myths.

dodging the issue. you claim that there is less racism in whites. the discussion is not about who hates who. as I'll be quick to point out that racists come in all colours. unlike you who believes it is less prevalent in whites.

 

[asterwald]

dodging the issue. you claim that there is less racism in whites. the discussion is not about who hates who. as I'll be quick to point out that racists come in all colours. unlike you who believes it is less prevalent in whites.

So what do you propose as a solution? There is a tagline: "Stop the hate, seperate", on various anti-diversity forums. Do you believe that if people live in homogeneous nations like Japan, racism will not be a social problem anymore?

 

[Rockslinger]

Inter-minority racism still is primarily against minorities and not against whites. It's one minority against another.

I don't know the proper label so I'll call it "inter-majority racism". White Irish Catholics, Italians, Jews (Christie Pits Riot), Ukrainians, Russians, etc. have also suffered discrimination and they are all white. Yet, they have all moved forward and seem to live in relative harmony now. What is past is past.

Inter-minority racism is real. I seen it first hand when I was in NYC between Koreans and Blacks. Also, E.I. Hindus and Pakistani Muslims don't like each other. Sikhs don't like Hindus (Air India bombing). Everybody in Asia don't like the Japanese.

 

[fuji]

White Irish Catholics, Italians, Jews (Christie Pits Riot), Ukrainians, Russians, etc. have also suffered discrimination and they are all white.

It's interesting to ask whether the definition of "white" has changed over time, to become more inclusive. I think there are now people who are referred to as "white", meaning, part of the majority culture, who previously would have been viewed as excluded minorities. Whether an Irish or Jewish person can be considered "white" or not probably depends on the year you ask the question.

 

[asterwald]

I don't know the proper label so I'll call it "inter-majority racism". White Irish Catholics, Italians, Jews (Christie Pits Riot), Ukrainians, Russians, etc. have also suffered discrimination and they are all white. Yet, they have all moved forward and seem to live in relative harmony now. What is past is past.

Inter-minority racism is real. I seen it first hand when I was in NYC between Koreans and Blacks. Also, E.I. Hindus and Pakistani Muslims don't like each other. Sikhs don't like Hindus (Air India bombing). Everybody in Asia don't like the Japanese.

Well a lot of that is not "Racism" per se. More like ethnic tension. But yeah Koreans hate blacks.

 

[Rockslinger]

Do you believe that if people live in homogeneous nations like Japan, racism will not be a social problem anymore?

It may not be called racism but I heard that tall Japanese discriminate against short Japanese. Hee, hee, hee.

 

[fuji]

dodging the issue. you claim that there is less racism in whites. the discussion is not about who hates who. as I'll be quick to point out that racists come in all colours. unlike you who believes it is less prevalent in whites.

I agree that racism comes in all colours and that more advanced methods are now needed to look for it. In part, that's the continuing evolution of our culture towards freedom and equality. Whereas in the past it was just plain acceptable to be a racist, our society has now outright rejected that in a broad sense. We've made it illegal, and it is thoroughly disparaged. That is progress. But certainly there are still people who, perhaps unwittingly, harbour stereotypes and act on them in ways that are racist--perhaps without even being consciously aware that it is racist to do so. So more modern studies now look at more subtle indicators and attitudes.

I'll stand by my claim that on all of those measures, no matter how measured, you will find that minorities are more racist than the majority culture. More aware of racism, as your one linked showed, but also more likely to practice it.

Unfortunately there is not a LOT of data on this. When you search for minority attitudes, there are so many studies looking at the majority-minority relationship that it's hard to sift through and find the ones that captured inter-minority stuff. There are also few enough of them that we're likely to wind up having to make due with foreign data, and not find quite as many home grown Canadian studies a we would like.

 

[fuji]

Well a lot of that is not "Racism" per se. More like ethnic tension. But yeah Koreans hate blacks.

Some people define racism as "prejudice + power", arguing that just hating someone is not enough to be "racist", you also have to be in a position of power, to put those prejudices into effect. I find that a somewhat troubling way of looking at things, as it appears to downplay the pernicious impact of hate and prejudice between minority groups themselves. But that is how some people view it, they would rather speak of "intermajority prejudice", and reserve the word "racism" for situations in which the victim of it actually suffers owing to the power held by their persecutor.

I think the article I linked up thread, though, does show that Latinos and Blacks in the US, for example, are capable of messing up each others lives. They literally go out and kill each other, in racialized gang wars, so, I think in fact they do have the power to put their prejudices into effect.

 

[Rockslinger]

But yeah Koreans hate blacks.

In NYC, Blacks rarely own their own businesses in predominately Black neigbourhoods (don't ask me why) so the first wave of Koreans filled the void by opening 24/7 convenience stores. The problem arose when the Koreans thought all Blacks were shoplifters and the Blacks thought all Koreans were making million dollar profits from Black neighbourhoods. I haven't been back in NYC since 9/11 so maybe the situation has subsequently improved.

 

[alex52]

As usual the OP started a thread on Sikh killings and within about three posts the whole thing went of on a tangent and nothing to do with the original topic. Off all the people contributed to this thread nobody knows anything about Sikh religion or the serious issues surrounding the killings.

In my opinion this board should stick to reviewing escorts and other sex related subjects. When ever it steps out of this domain the usual ignorant stuff is spewed.

 

[Carling]

Well a lot of that is not "Racism" per se. More like ethnic tension. But yeah Koreans hate blacks.

lol...i'm korean, and i trust a black man over a white man any day...Even grew up with jamaicans, very friendly and warm people, and would give the shirt off their back if you needed one.

 

[Carling]

In NYC, Blacks rarely own their own businesses in predominately Black neigbourhoods (don't ask me why) so the first wave of Koreans filled the void by opening 24/7 convenience stores. The problem arose when the Koreans thought all Blacks were shoplifters and the Blacks thought all Koreans were making million dollar profits from Black neighbourhoods. I haven't been back in NYC since 9/11 so maybe the situation has subsequently improved.

it's changed,because less koreans own corner stores, or hire indians and hispanics to work the counters now.

 

[Carling]

jews or italians, those guys hate blacks like it's a hobby...but then the old european guys,they hate jews like southern white folk hate blacks....and then some

 

[fuji]

lol...i'm korean, and i trust a black man over a white man any day...Even grew up with jamaicans, very friendly and warm people, and would give the shirt off their back if you needed one.

Of course you do, you hate white people, your statements are consistently racist and you're a good poster boy for a lot of what i have said here.

 

[basketcase]

And so have other religious movements. However making it part of a nations founding legal document is a whole different matter. That way it is followed by everyone. Not just bhuddists.

You might want to look in to that. Most religions have the view that they are right and everyone else will go to hell (or equivalent). Many even go to radical lengths to convert and destroy. By definition most religions are intolerant of others.

 

[basketcase]

I haven't had time to "cherry pick" ...

Too busy posting his knowledge on every topic.

 

[basketcase]

...
I'll stand by my claim that on all of those measures, no matter how measured, you will find that minorities are more racist than the majority culture. More aware of racism, as your one linked showed, but also more likely to practice it.
...

And I'll say the majority don't have to suffer from racism to anywhere near the same extent, don't socialize with minorities as much, and don't even realize how racism is a part of their lives and actions.

 

[basketcase]

As usual the OP started a thread on Sikh killings and within about three posts the whole thing went of on a tangent and nothing to do with the original topic. Off all the people contributed to this thread nobody knows anything about Sikh religion or the serious issues surrounding the killings.

In my opinion this board should stick to reviewing escorts and other sex related subjects. When ever it steps out of this domain the usual ignorant stuff is spewed.

Yes, randoms discussions should be banned from the internet.


The serious issue around this killing is some white skinhead was too dense to differentiate Muslim from Sikh (or actual terrorists from innocent people) and only cared about killing some non-whites who in his warped crap of a mind were stealing his rights.

The reason this thread evolved is because fuji can't accept the fact that this guys actions were fueled by intolerant sentiments among many whites in the US (And Canada).