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I hear you. I grew up in smalltown Ontario and there was virtually no diversity and none of the tensions that might be associated therewith.
Speaking of the Japanese, they might be simply an interesting footnote in human history 100 years from now. They are rapidly aging and depopulating.
Most world populations are depopulating, all except Muslim nations.
 

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Speaking of Sikhs, the Brits really had their hands full stopping the Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims from all killing each other. Partition was a bloodbath.
 

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Most world populations are depopulating, all except Muslim nations.
Too bad quantity is not the same as quality.

While it was a gross violation of human rights, I think China did the right thing at the right time when they implemented the "one child" policy. Now China is food self-sufficient. Contrast that with what is happening in East Africa where lack of food is the norm..
 

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Yes that's right, the shaking off of savagery took a very long time, and still there are elements of it around today. This recent shooter is an example of the reality that there are still some white people who aren't bought into the concept. Yet it's undeniable that European society has been trending towards increasingly egalitarian outlook, and that the rights that were eventually extended were originally promised in the founding documents, in the Declaration of Independence for example.

There is no disputing that we all originated in savagery, that all cultures, all peoples, originally practiced discrimination and unenlightened self-interest. You seem to think pointing out any inequality or savagery inflicted by Europeans undermines my point. It doesn't.

My point is this enlightenment originated in Europe, with white thinkers, and eventually permeated white societies, and has been propagating out from there. Still to this day most primarily non-white nations institutionalize racism, and don't even question it. The Chinese, in China, if you ask them, don't even comprehend the point. It's primarily Chinese who have had exposure to Western culture who have acquired the concept that everyone should be equal, without regard to race or national origin.

Still to this day it's my observation, and I think many people's, that non-whites in Canada are far more racist and discriminatory towards one another than whites are. Asians say horrible things about blacks, and vice versa.

The idea of equality has a long way to go, but I see little value in denying from where it originated.
So wait a minute you acknowledge that some whites are "shaking off the savagery" yet you maintain that most whites don't think of crime as a black thing and terrorism as a foreign thing. Interesting.

Using your own words I maintaing that there are still white savages.

I'll also point out that all races are still savage to some degree or another just so people don't think I'm picking on whites.
 

frankcastle

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Yes, we are not perfect. For example, a Black man was videotaped pissing on a homeless man at the Eaton Centre. But, I will suggest that we are less imperfect than 99.9% of the other countries on this planet.
Love how you picked a black buy perpetrating a wrong to represent Canada and a white norther town to represent Canadians doing something good.
 

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Most world populations are depopulating, all except Muslim nations.
Interesting comment considering that the numbers in the Catholic church are increasing.

I suspect you commenting on the birth rate, but then the two largest countries in the world, China and India, comprising almost half the worlds people, aren't muslim countries and have birth rates of ~10 and 20/1000. Then look at infant mortality, some countries need a high birth rate as they so have many dying, and not from old age.
 

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Yes that's right, the shaking off of savagery took a very long time, and still there are elements of it around today. This recent shooter is an example of the reality that there are still some white people who aren't bought into the concept. Yet it's undeniable that European society has been trending towards increasingly egalitarian outlook, and that the rights that were eventually extended were originally promised in the founding documents, in the Declaration of Independence for example.

There is no disputing that we all originated in savagery, that all cultures, all peoples, originally practiced discrimination and unenlightened self-interest. You seem to think pointing out any inequality or savagery inflicted by Europeans undermines my point. It doesn't.

My point is this enlightenment originated in Europe, with white thinkers, and eventually permeated white societies, and has been propagating out from there. Still to this day most primarily non-white nations institutionalize racism, and don't even question it. The Chinese, in China, if you ask them, don't even comprehend the point. It's primarily Chinese who have had exposure to Western culture who have acquired the concept that everyone should be equal, without regard to race or national origin.

Still to this day it's my observation, and I think many people's, that non-whites in Canada are far more racist and discriminatory towards one another than whites are. Asians say horrible things about blacks, and vice versa.

The idea of equality has a long way to go, but I see little value in denying from where it originated.
Actually, there are a lot of enlightened thinkers you probably just aren't aware of the non white ones.

For example, native american thinking way back when didn't see land as property and and the early beginnings of sustainability and ecology.

As stated earlier Taoism is a very peaceful philosophy with ideas like a great leader needs to bend like a willow rather be inflexible and risk breaking (paraphrasing as I am not a Taoist). In fact Taoism has losts of great proverbs like that while whites were still digging in the dirt.

And for the record how can you say non whites are more racist than white Canadians?

I donbt equality is patented by whites as I remember reading about a tribe in the amazon or was a papua new guinea..... anyways, that was isolated and the people didn't even have the concept of personal property.

I diagree with saying whites originated the ideas of equality. But I would agree that western countries are trying the hardest to practice them (although to varying degrees of success).
 

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So wait a minute you acknowledge that some whites are "shaking off the savagery" yet you maintain that most whites don't think of crime as a black thing and terrorism as a foreign thing. Interesting.
I'm talking about changes in attitudes over, say, the time period between 1400 AD and the present. I'm not sure where you're getting the last part. It sounds like you're taking something I said somewhere, and trying to turn it into some sort of categorical all-or-nothing statement. Clearly, a lot of terrorism is foreign, and a lot of street violence is black, and a lot of people of any racial background recognize that. But that would be different than saying they think all terrorists are foreign or that all crime is black! I think everyone is aware of Timothy McVeigh and that there are guys like Breivik and the racist nut we were discussing on this thread.

Using your own words I maintaing that there are still white savages.
Absolutely! One just walked into a Sikh temple and started shooting.

I'll also point out that all races are still savage to some degree or another just so people don't think I'm picking on whites.
In fact, I think the point here would be, that there is a lot more racism latent in non-white populations, many of which have not yet fully embraced the egalitarian revolution that began in Europe. Again, I would point to non-whites being overall far more racist than whites, at least in our society today, and non-white countries being generally less tolerant of minorities. I'm speaking here about, say, black attitudes towards asians, or asian attitudes towards blacks.
 

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i actually did hear on the news (yeah it was howards news with robin) that a church i forget where told a couple they couldn't get married there cuz it make it's church goer's uncomfortable. it was a mixed couple.
 

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Fuji,

I'm not saying whites think all blacks and foreings are criminals and terrorits. I'm just saying that most of them if they hear the word criminal or terrorist will assume black or foreign.

Just like when there's a shooting in toronto, terbites assume it was a black shooter.
 

frankcastle

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Fuji,

I'm not saying whites think all blacks and foreings are criminals and terrorits. I'm just saying that most of them if they hear the word criminal or terrorist will assume black or foreign.

Just like when there's a shooting in toronto, terbites assume it was a black shooter.
Fail to understand why I can't say this in your mind but you can say things like
-non whites are more racists
-and your black vs asian generalizations
 

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Fail to understand why I can't say this in your mind but you can say things like
-non whites are more racists
-and your black vs asian generalizations
Do you disagree with the point that there are more racists among blacks and asians than among whites? Meaning, more racist attitudes present towards other minorities?
 

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so where are your stats?..please do tell
See the other thread where this was done to death. It's really undisputed that the majority of shootings in Toronto is black, for both the shooter and the victim generally. It also turned out on that thread that outside of major cities blacks are NOT particularly associated with crime. So there is some sort of urban cultural problem there that is not inherently a racial problem (i.e., not a genetic thing) although whatever is going on is linked to a particular racial group in a cultural sense. I think it's a pretty easy inference that in major urban centers it's gang culture that is the problem, and that outside major urban centers blacks are simply not getting involved in that. My personal observation, too, is that blacks who are not involved in the gang banger culture are really just like everyone else, but that the gang bangers are a big problem.

At any rate, I'm not going to rehash it with you--go look on the other thread and knock yourself out.

In the meantime, stop calling other people racist just because they make observations, especially since you spout off blatant and unfounded anti-white racism on a regular basis.
 

frankcastle

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Do you disagree with the point that there are more racists among blacks and asians than among whites? Meaning, more racist attitudes present towards other minorities?
To be honst I can't say, it would be purely speculation which is what you are doing.

In my opinion I would guess that racism is probably about the same in all races. In fact I'd go so far as to say everyone is a little bit racist.
 

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In the meantime, stop calling other people racist just because they make observations, especially since you spout off blatant and unfounded anti-white racism on a regular basis.
hey kettle it's me pot, your black.lol...don't place yourself on higher pedastal...i always look at a white guy and think twice about trusting them..it comes with my own experience...much like you probably hold your purse a little tighter when you see a black guy walking towards you.
 

frankcastle

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Sure, because it usually is. Not always. But usually.
Right but you know as well as I do that when you move outside of urban centres or away from gang shootings... the picture is quite different but most people will still have the image of the black killer.

I was shocked at how low the black population in prison was, but then again I wasn't aware of how small the black population in Canada was until I did the research.
 
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